Outbreak at Quebec gym now up to 171 people (not all at gym I am guessing) per CBC News At Six last night.
So that plexiglas and 6 feet did ... as everyone who knows aerosols said.
Filter the air. Ventilate. 6 feet not magic.
So that plexiglas and 6 feet did ... as everyone who knows aerosols said.
Filter the air. Ventilate. 6 feet not magic.
Anyone know any gyms that focussed on ventilation? Could see how they've done.
Anecdotal story of gym w ventilation in thread.
Yes cannot draw hard conclusions from one or two instances. This is in addition to all the other evidence. Also superspreading is random.
New variants more transmissible now, caution.
Still, this lesson repeats again and again
Yes cannot draw hard conclusions from one or two instances. This is in addition to all the other evidence. Also superspreading is random.
New variants more transmissible now, caution.
Still, this lesson repeats again and again
Certainly NOT focussing on air is causing more cases and just leads to the "public isn't washing their hands" blame game, which isn't helping anyone because it ain't about handwashing.
TB ain't about handwashing, for example: It can't infect from hands!
TB ain't about handwashing, for example: It can't infect from hands!
What happens in a gym that focusses on ventilation?
LETS JUST ASK WHY DON'T WE
LETS JUST ASK WHY DON'T WE
https://twitter.com/linseymarr/status/1379413157991522306?s=20
It's not rocket science.
If private sector did this, we'd be sued into oblivion. (That's coming for government, of course.)
But not dealing with air after ONE YEAR is UNBELIEVABLE to me.
When we collectively take a breath and look back, it will not be a good look for some.
If private sector did this, we'd be sued into oblivion. (That's coming for government, of course.)
But not dealing with air after ONE YEAR is UNBELIEVABLE to me.
When we collectively take a breath and look back, it will not be a good look for some.
20 workplace outbreaks from the gym, 171 cases. Probably will rise.
Go on tell me it's not in the air. I dare you.
Go on tell me it's not in the air. I dare you.
By the way, for anyone who cares, the 6 foot rule comes from a tiny study of babies in 1981 spreading RSV (a respiratory virus) to their caregivers.
Because 14 of the caregivers didn't get infected at 6 feet, we distance 6 feet.
What a way to live.
Because 14 of the caregivers didn't get infected at 6 feet, we distance 6 feet.
What a way to live.
https://twitter.com/jmcrookston/status/1309915066054082561
Up to over _300_ linked cases. I had to check this number twice. It's going to get higher.
lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-…
From
lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-…
From
https://twitter.com/Orla_Hegarty/status/1379697084832579584?s=20
One death. aged 40.
Over 400 now.
globalnews.ca/news/7744065/q…
#COVIDisAirborne
(Sign our petition at the pinned link at @covidisairborne)
globalnews.ca/news/7744065/q…
#COVIDisAirborne
(Sign our petition at the pinned link at @covidisairborne)
This was a public health failure. No question. Guidance was simply never going to work long-term because #COVIDisAirborne
On the flipside, look what (some) people did on their own:
Outdoor!
On the flipside, look what (some) people did on their own:
Outdoor!
And you know what I can't find?
A SINGLE OUTDOOR GYM OUTBREAK report. (But even if one I wouldn't care much. Send me any you find.)
Hmm, common sense would tell us something about airborne spread of viruses but let's focus on randomized controlled trials while people die.
A SINGLE OUTDOOR GYM OUTBREAK report. (But even if one I wouldn't care much. Send me any you find.)
Hmm, common sense would tell us something about airborne spread of viruses but let's focus on randomized controlled trials while people die.
Why no outdoor spread?
Because droplets are not what's infecting people.
"Droplet" is just a term from late 1890s and 1912, when we only found bacteria on agar plates within a few feet, and noticed people near sick people, got sick. Chapin thought droplet made sense.
Because droplets are not what's infecting people.
"Droplet" is just a term from late 1890s and 1912, when we only found bacteria on agar plates within a few feet, and noticed people near sick people, got sick. Chapin thought droplet made sense.
Here's Chapin in 1912 quoting someone who was saying to protect against "droplet", place beds TWELVE feet away.
None of this makes sense. It's all in the air and the further away you are, with good ventilation, the less likely you will get sick. By statistics. The end.
None of this makes sense. It's all in the air and the further away you are, with good ventilation, the less likely you will get sick. By statistics. The end.
So
1. droplets fall to the ground within 2 m (sometimes 1 m - droplets are funny that way)
2. this field had the size of droplets (a high school physics issue) wrong for 100 years,
3. Chapin noted ppl distanced 12 feet for droplet
The term "droplet" does not mean "droplet".
1. droplets fall to the ground within 2 m (sometimes 1 m - droplets are funny that way)
2. this field had the size of droplets (a high school physics issue) wrong for 100 years,
3. Chapin noted ppl distanced 12 feet for droplet
The term "droplet" does not mean "droplet".
That's the joke of all this. "Droplet" doesn't mean "droplets", but if you read it, you think it does.
And "airborne" (as these same people say) doesn't mean "in the air" it means "floats long time in air" even though Chapin was also originally dealing with the public...
And "airborne" (as these same people say) doesn't mean "in the air" it means "floats long time in air" even though Chapin was also originally dealing with the public...
...who used airborne to mean "airborne as in across the Atlantic airborne" (see pic)
Measles was droplet until it was called airborne. TB same. I posted about this already
Measles was droplet until it was called airborne. TB same. I posted about this already
The virus is in small aerosols in the air.
If you are in a room without an N95 mask, you are at statistical risk of catching the disease as you breath in that air
And the better the mask/ventilation the safer you are
And you are safest if you are not in that room
If you are in a room without an N95 mask, you are at statistical risk of catching the disease as you breath in that air
And the better the mask/ventilation the safer you are
And you are safest if you are not in that room
I am thoroughly fed up with the hair splitting.
That is as simple as I can say it.
Believe it, or don't. That's the reality. Be safe.
That is as simple as I can say it.
Believe it, or don't. That's the reality. Be safe.
(RE masks: obviously better masks are better, and N95 best.
But if you cannot get those, surgical with a good fit is good.
Or make good cloth masks that fit well (important) w/ multilayer.
Lots of tips about what makes a good mask out there from other sources.)
Be safe.
But if you cannot get those, surgical with a good fit is good.
Or make good cloth masks that fit well (important) w/ multilayer.
Lots of tips about what makes a good mask out there from other sources.)
Be safe.
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