Outline of the Cochrane study a bit for those scared of its length. Metro article: bit.ly/3tVfOah Lead author: the dauntless Ellen van Leuween. Co-author @tony_kendrick bit.ly/32KLJhj While there are hundreds of studies looking at starting antidepressants(1/n)
we found only 33 studies looking at stopping antidepressants, a therefore hugely neglected area 2/n
Most studies stopping antidepressants abruptly or in less than 4 weeks. This is not consistent with even the current lacklustre NICE guidance (stop over more than 4 weeks) and certainly nothing like the improved guidance from RCPsych bit.ly/3dHYUpL (3/n)
The main limitation of the studies was the failure to distinguish relapse from withdrawal, with most studies focusing on relapse -only one study measured withdrawal. As withdrawal can include low mood, anxiety, disturbed sleep and appetite (4/n)
All of which would register on depression scales used to detect relapse these would inflate the apparent rate of relapse found in the group who stopped antidepressants. Therefore there was very little to be gleaned from currently conducted studies (5/n)
None of the studies used changed pharmaceutical formulations allowing patients to reduce their dose below the commonly used therapeutic doses (6/n)
Implications for practice: clinicians should be aware of the distinction between withdrawal symptoms and relapse. Withdrawal symptoms can come on very quickly after stopping antidepressants, include symptoms not in the patient’s underlying condition (7/n)
Or other typical symptoms such as ‘shock-like’ or ‘electric zap’, dizziness, profound insomnia. (8/n)
Withdrawal symptoms are an indication to taper more slowly (perhaps after returning to a higher dose of medication to stabilise) not evidence that an underlying condition has returned (9/n)
Because relapse rates in studies are confounded by withdrawal effects it is not possible to be confident that current recommendations for continuation of treatment and maintenance for prevention of relapse are robust (10/n)
Implications for research: there is an urgent need for trials of stopping antidepressants that address confounding by withdrawal. These studies should have as their key outcome “successful discontinuation rate” and should involve a general population from primary care (11/n)
Future studies should “undertake long-term follow-up to evaluate person-centred outcomes such as quality of life, including return to work and daily and social activities” (12/n)
Although not the main aim of the review, one take away is that it is not possible to be confident in the current evidence recommending long-term treatment with antidepressants (13/n)
because this advice is based on studies in which patients are stopped off antidepressants and withdrawal is not taken into account (14/n)

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23 Mar
(Thread) Today we have published a paper on a way to reduce antipsychotics to minimise withdrawal effects and possibly relapse in @SchizBulletin. bit.ly/31bc8Eg with thanks to co-authors Robin Murray, David Taylor, @sameerjauhar and Sridhar Natesan. (1/n)
It extends our work on risperidone to more antipsychotic drugs bit.ly/3tMFdSV
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their pharmacological characteristics and clinical trials. We suggest reducing dose by 5 or 10 percentage points of D2 occupancy (equivalent to about one quarter or one half of the dose) every 3-6 months. (3/n)
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17 Mar
(Thread) With due respect to others who have contributed to my special edition I consider this one of the most important pieces. bit.ly/2OAa1aH @Altostrata When I was coming off an antidepressant and in dire straits, I could not find any guidance on what was (1/n)
going on or how to navigate out of it from published literature. Without Adele Framer I would not have been able to get off my drugs; indeed I am not sure I would be alive. I have learnt a lot from her and now I am very glad that now other clinicians, patients (2/n)
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4 Mar
If you have been tapered off a psych drug too fast by a doctor, is it possible (after recovering) to go back and try to let them know what happened? Understand there may be a lot of anger. But could help others avoid the same fate. Terrible thing to have ask ppl to do I know
I ask this because in a focus group yesterday some ppl had done this. Know this takes a lot of energy. But ppl need to stop being told 'I have never seen this before', 'I don't know what to do'. At some point I am sure @rcgp will spring into action
It is also a numbers game. There are about 30,000 GPs in England. Based on this paper there are 10,000 English people just on a handful of facebook sites who know how to taper antidepressants. There are more ppl learning all the time bit.ly/3qhgTXb
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8 Nov 20
In the same way that benzos can make anxiety worse in the long term, can antidepressants worsen the condition they are designed to treat? Proud to have commissioned this thoughtful analysis: bit.ly/2GDRMgj @TAPsychopharm /1
Current diagnostic systems in psychiatry do not consider the iatrogenic components of psychopathology, and can be applied to only patients who are drug free. They are suited for a patient who no longer exists: most of the cases that are seen in psychiatric clinical practice.../2
"...receive psychotropic drugs and such treatment is likely to affect prognosis and treatment choices."/3
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5 Aug 20
How to taper antipsychotic medication to minimise withdrawal problems: more slowly than you think, down to fractions of usually used doses. Might need liquid versions, pill cutters. Thks Robin Murray, David Taylor @sameerjauhar Sridhar Natesan @JAMAPsych bit.ly/2XyvtxM
Summary: Antipsychotics can reduce psychotic symptoms and might reduce relapse rates so can be useful. But lots of side effects: tardive dyskinesia, metabolic problems, subjectively unpleasant, probable brain shrinkage. 1/
Doses should therefore be reduced to minimal effective dose, which for some might be zero. Also evidence that functioning (employment, independent living, relationships) improve for less or no antipsychotic /2
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30 May 20
Ketamine, like other anaesthetic agents propofol and nitrous oxide, reduces depression scores in 2 hours. Does that make esketamine a safe and effective antidepressant? No. With @joannamoncrieff in @TheBJPsych bit.ly/3gw4cUC (thread)
We analysed studies submitted by Janssen to FDA to licence esketamine (esk) for treatment-resistant depression (TRD). TRD sounds rare and severe, but Janssen’s defn - people who have ‘failed’ two different ADs - likely to include many current AD users. (1/25)
Esk is one of two mirror image molecules that make up ket. Esk is 2xpotent as ket. 3 trials conducted for 4 weeks to compare esk to placebo. In 2 of these trials there was no sig. difference between esketamine and pbo. (2/25)
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