1 Sheehan on Church: He knew intelligence behind ETs would be engaging in activities that we're seeing now. Everybody having cell phones would help with getting better pics. (Has it?) What he did NOT know is we would have all of the Navy events on EC & WC where UFOs so visible.
2 Danny says three videos published in NYT were a big part of jump starting us and bringing us to where we are now. Church interrupts and asks Danny to talk about his past with NYT and Pentagon Papers.
3 Sheehan still represents Greer & Disclosure Project and @LueElizondo. Also represented folks from Citizen's Hearing. Church asks about DS's critical opinion of TTSA. DS says he started representing Lue before he left TTSA. DS formed the opinion that TTSA was engaged in a
4 process of portraying UFOs as a threat, were critical of DoD & saying UFOs were intruding into our air space (nukes, aircraft carriers, etc.). DS reviewed backgrounds of various folks in TTSA (didn't meet any of them) & came to opinion that they were operating on behalf of DIA
5 DS thought that antagonistic attitude towards ETs (how does he know they're ETs?) was not a good thing. Mentions Dolan's work with FOIA and how docs show gov't tried to destroy reputations of folks involved with UFOs. Portrayed them as crazy and ruined careers.
6 DS viewed TTSA and the threat angle a new phase of DIA as "an unfortunate change of position." Went from denying their existence to saying they're real..but a threat. Brings up Malmstrom AF Base and nukes being shut off. Says DoD views nukes being shut off as a threat.
7 DS didn't see that as a national security threat to the U.S. but a threat to their bureaucracy. DS, prompted by Church: TTSA saw a peculiar ambiguity w/TTSA's message. DoD didn't see it as threat bc they didn't admit they even existed. Entire infrastructure of military was not
8 conducting themselves as a threat. TTSA would say they're real & confident they're not Russian, Chinese or ours. But wouldn't go to the ET conclusion. When confronted on if they believe they were ET? Well, hard to find another explanation but wouldn't just say it. DS critical
9 of that. DS expected someone from TTSA to contact him eventually & Lue finally did. Church: Was this part of Lue's thinking (being uncomfortable with TTSA's way of going about this)? DS just says Lue was concerned about DoD lying about him.
10 Church: Is DoD telling truth about Lue and the Navy videos or is it bs? We have questions about what's coming out of Pentagon. DS: That's right. Qs about Pentagon & TTSA. Back to Lue being pissed @ lies coming out of DoD. Lue really wanted 2 retain DS to get DoD to tell truth.
11 DS asked Lue: How far do you want to take this? How much truth? (As I've said before, I have a source who had similar concerns with TTSA)
12 Danny's (Skype?)connection drops. Gough at it again! 😀 Church suggests that is really what happened. Oh brother.
Is Lue's complaint vs. DoD a court proceeding? No. Will have 2 exhaust all administrative alternatives first. Give them a chance to correct things. Lue & DS have
13 filed IG complaint. They don't want DS/LE to talk about any of this. Just like with Mack case and other cases. DS says lots of folks who are in the wrong do crap like this. DS: Are u telling Lue he can't talk about his opinion that DoD is lying?
14 He's said that plenty of times in public.
JC: Lue did say on f2b: "Susan Gough doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground." DS says that's a stipulated fact. 😂
Filed three "complaints" with IG. Whistleblower retaliation, space, missiles & nuclear, & retaliation.
15 4th one on what protocols in DoD have been established 4 investigating UFOs, declaring differing aspects of investigation 2B classified or not classified. Trying 2 find the lay of the land in DoD on UFOs. How could Secy of D not b briefed or Chief Staff of USAF not be briefed?
16 Meeting with IG on June 15th with Lue. DS brings up SSCI and SASC (Eric Davis briefed both of them on retrieval from off-world vehicles).
18 Sheehan worked on another case where Judge asked him what kind of clearance he wanted. He needed it to look at certain pieces of evidence in the case. DS told judge: I'd like a Q clearance. Judge: Done! :-)
19 DS: We'll see how far Lue wants to go with this. But maybe DiD backs down and admits certain folks lied. Would Lue be satisfied with that? DS would NOT be satisfied. :-)
DS: If they (DoD) don't act in good faith, "they're going to be sorry."
20 Church asks about Greer saying DS said that Lue said to him (DS) that he had seen an ET craft in a gov't facility.
DS: There are discussion DS & Lue had. DS has been pressing to find out how much Lue intends to make public with what he knows. In those discussions,
21 (DS mentions attorney/client privilege) they've spoken about things & Lue has said we don't have tech like that. Without broaching attorney/client: DS tried to find out how far Lue had been briefed in. Has Lue been briefed in on Lockheed & others as far as back engineering.
22 Was Lue briefed in on whether we have saucers/UFOs? DS needed to know what areas Lue HAD been briefed in on and what security levels. (BTW, if Danny was worried about attorney/client privilege & talked to Greer about what Lue said, that's a major **** up).
23 DS brings up Greer believing we have advanced, black tech that was back engineered from ET craft. And Greer thinks majority of UFO sightings are ours.
JC: can he state that as fact?
DS: I don't know. (I do. He can't. He COULD be right but he cannot state that as fact).
24 DS: Greer believes a false flag attack by aliens is the national security state plan. DS doesn't believe that. DS has been briefed in on what kind of tech we have developed & experts told him that SOME craft developed at S-4 (developed by Ben Rich/Lockheed) could be mistaken
25 for some UFO sightings. Those would not be the superluminal craft we hear about. DS thinks they are capable of a false flag alien invasion. And whether or not Lue had been briefed in on whether or not ET materials had been recovered. Lue & DS DID have that convo.
26 And there was some confusion (not between DS and Lue) on whether or not Lue has seen any of this materials.
JC: Does that put you in a strange position with Lue and attorney client privilege if ur also representing Greer?
27 DS: I don't go back and forth between Greer & Lue. Some folks mad at DS for representing Lue bc they think Lue is a disinfo. agent and liar. But they need to separate Lue from TTSA. DS: Lue knows I want to get all of the info, disclosed. Lue wants that, too.
28 JC: I know that. (You do, Jimmy? You have a odd way of expressing that opinion)
DS: Greer believes it's better to err on prematurely accusing before it's too late.
JC: Do you, Danny, think you can bridge the two teams?
DS: Yes. Paola Harris thought Lue was part of
29 the effort to cover all of this up. And PH was distressed that DS was representing Lue. That tells me PH is totally out of touch with reality on that specific subject of Lue & what he wants. DS: Lue & I are joined at hip and want same thing: Getting truth out to the people.
30 DS talks about how Mellon come very close 2 saying some of these may be ET but then he takes a slight step back. Folks get frustrated by that.
DS: NYT article in 2017 was very important.
Church mad that UFO community believes SOME of what DoD says & not other things they say
31 This is where Church is clueless.
How do we handle those different statements from Pentagon? DS: You hire me! :-)
32 DS said that when you have folks who know some of these craft are not ours and then they waffle and say, "Well, it COULD be "other" instead of just sharing their true opinions, that's bad for the cause and frustrates a lot of people.
33 180 Day UAPTF Report. DS makes point that UAPTF won't file report with Congress. That will be done with DNI and they'll have a chance to edit it. Top levels of national security structure will decide what SSCI gets. No discussion of Gang of 8 being briefed.
34 Thinks report won't be any major revelation. Will be a political decision. POTUS and DNI doesn't get briefed in on this subject. Doesn't think folks in task force will be briefed in on this. (Not sure what "this" means). Expects a delay.
35 DS: They'll say that all of these various groups have this data and some of it is proprietary on behalf of certain corporations and they won't give us the information.
UAPTF folks are low level and know don't know 1/5 of the UFO data that exists.
36 JC: Who is leaking vids and pics to @JeremyCorbell. JC says it's the UAPTF that is leaking. NOPE. Get your facts straight, Jimmy.
DS: Not necessarily folks in TF who are leaking. (Yep!)
37 JC: Is it not a concern to DNI that folks with images on their phones are leaking this? (Who the **** cares if it's a concern for them, Jimmy)
JC: Seems like UAPTF isn't raising a concern about the leaks. (WTF is JC talking about?)
38: DS: Leaks will determine how much will come out.
JC: Why wasn't there a negative response from Pentagon on leaks? Is it bc images/videos don't show anything important? Not UAP? (This is psyop talk that Greenewald keeps bringing up & there's ZERO evidence for that).
39 Highest echelon folks don't know how to muzzle the leakers. (Good!).
Middle folks mad that higher-ups won't brief them on this so they're happy 2C people like pilots come forward with their experiences. In other words, if you won't brief me, then screw you! (That's my take)
40 DS thinks report will show 10% of UFO info that's available. These folks will do as little as they can get away with and we need to keep the pressure on them.
41 JC: Is there some type of public display of the 180 Report changing hands. DS reiterates that wording says the report isn't even mandated by law. He expects another 180 extension and they will hope the media fervor dies down and people will lose interest.
42: Higher-ups in national security have a very low opinion of us. Us meaning all citizens.
Brings up folks (RFK Jr.) bringing up reasonable questions about vaccine & Covid & being censored. We still have the ability 2 make a difference w/UFOs since they haven't shut us down.
42 Danny leaves to eat dinner.
43 I'll need to transcribe the part where Danny explains the whole thing about Greer and Lue allegedly saying he saw an ET craft in a gov't facility. First time through didn't make a lot of sense.
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1 Promised woo the other day & here it is. Bengston's rather conservative & usually relies solely on data he's collected. This is one of the times he shared something that cannot be verified & is considered woo. But as you'll see, he doesn't make claims about what it represents.
2 I love this stuff & the fact that other folks claim they saw the same thing makes me take it seriously. If this isn't your thing, ignore it.
Didn't expect to find this at the end of Bengston's book. "Ben" = Ben Mayrick, the psychic/healer that changed Bengston's life.
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3 “Some healers claim to possess spirit guides through which they channel wisdom and healing powers. Perhaps it’s time I confess that even Ben had a group of spirits who followed him around and whom others, besides me, independently could see. They were stereotypically
Max: While working at AATIP, did u ever observe anything with your own eyes & ears?
Lue: "Yeah. Yeah. But I've always been very careful not to talk about it publicly bc I don't want my own opinion to skew the facts & the collection of data.
2 "It's very important to me to that we remain agnostic, or neutral, in our bias when we're collecting this information. Otherwise, I'm just as guilty of anybody else of superimposing, potentially, my own narrative & biasing the analysis, which is critical that we don't do that."
3 From season Finale of "Unidentified" in July 2019.
Lue: “At the end of the day, I don’t care if you believe it. I know what I’ve seen.”
As Lue said 2 Dolan...u don't find AATIP, AATIP finds u. Materialists r gonna have a tough time in the years ahead.
1 IMVHO, it's important 2 look back & see who said what with regards 2 Lue, AAWSAP, AATIP & most importantly, crash retrievals & Wilson/Davis. There are a TON of folks who have totally dismissed crash retrievals. Why is it important to keep track of what they said? Well, when
2 more info. comes out (and it will) on crash retrievals & Wilson/Davis, you'll c that my analysis (and the analysis of many friends of mine) was spot on. And a lot of that is thanks 2 sources sharing info. w/us to point us in right direction. Some folks lead u astray, and IMO,
3 "some did that intentionally. So, going forward, when we try to figure out who's here & motive, maybe folks will pay attention to those of us who had it right about crash retrievals & W/D & see what we have to say about who, what & why & what our sources have told us on that.
1 From Reid's Op Ed in NYT. Some is a little disappointing.
"It’s unclear whether the U.F.O.s we have encountered could have been built by foreign adversaries, whether our pilots’ visual perception during some encounters was somehow distorted, or whether we truly have credible
2 "evidence of extraterrestrial visitations. There may be other, as yet unknown explanations for some of these strange sightings."
Distorted, visual perceptions by pilots? Maybe in a few cases but @LueElizondo references cases that he says are backed by multiple sensors.
3 "Of course, whatever the science tells us, some portion of the public will continue to believe in the reality of otherworldly U.F.O.s as a matter of faith. Ultimately, the U.F.O. debate can be broken down into a sincere belief in science versus
1 @WhitleyStrieber : Either of u have any family background related 2 the phenomenon?
@g_knapp: "It's a story I'm not ready to tell. Whenever I get asked the question, whether I've had an experience or people in my family have had an experience, my standard answer is,
2 Knapp: "'Not that I remember.' But there is a trail of phenomena in my family that I will share at some point. And one of 'em, I'll just tell ya. Well, here he is, he's grilling me, Jeremy, I'm about to spill it."
3 Knapp: "... (It got cut off) UFO experience in my life that my parents had shared with me because it was too young for me to remember. It actually turns out to be a fairly famous case, a series of incidents that happened in the late 50s. I'm not ready to tell it right now."
"My dad, was a test pilot in the Marines, all thru the 60s & 70s, & when he was stationed @ El Toro...he said...talk to any pilot, they see all kinds of weird stuff up there, but they just don't report it bc they don't wanna go into
2 PO: "a crank file. He said he was on a test flight & he saw a bunch of objects...he said they looked like glowing balls of energy, in like these round, metal cages. And they were keeping track with the jets & they would do these turns that you couldn't do under those G forces,
3 PO: "and would disappear. And when he came down & talked to his base commander & said, 'Hey, my squad saw...' And the base commander (BC) went (holding his hand up), 'Were they metal cages with like, energy balls in them?' And he's like, 'Yeah.' BC: 'Do u wanna report 'em?'