Thread by @luminatus1

Ladies Blathering Part 2

you look at 19:42
it in practical terms I mean we're well
in in your country one of the reasons
why people constrain the size of their families is cos property prices are very high so to have 3 children if you want to live in Greater London

if you want to live in Greater London
& got multi-millionaire yeah & well
& that's why rock stars like Mick
Jagger...
they can afford individual bedroom yet
all the children they sire but if you're
not in that situation it's expensive &
impractical

it's expensive &
impractical & as you say govn's
that the balk at finding,
creating the conditions that would able
people have space for a family
nevertheless a comfort thing that
somehow cultural transformation is
easier to manage it's also that one that
20:33

Dou: It's also in Britain we need to basically build city the size of Liverpool every coupleyears but they've gotten the migrations
coming in.
About 300,000.
houses, new houses a year need to be
built & almost nobody says that that's
actually net always precisely a number
coming

almost nobody says that that's
actually net always precisely a number
of people who are coming in each year
right it never, never gets raised
and of course if you do raise it :
" God you're banging on right
everything's about immigration isn't it"

well actually it does affect
almost everything yeah it affecting
property prices affects people views
about the future of their countries
affects their views on culture &
everything else yeah I mean it's quite a
good thing to bang on about I mean you
know we chose a good subject

it's still a disreputable subject in a certain sense & you have people I saw Kenneth Clark, former Lord Chancellor big heavyweight member of the Conservative Party he was on Question Time ..he suddenly goes into this sentimental Rhapsody about how
the multicultural transformation

about how the multicultural transformation of Britain has been one of the most wonderful things he's seen in his lifetime but he hardly ever he says I hardly ever saw a black person when I
was growing up & now I don't even
notice it if I see one on the bus

something I don't believe
that the Lord Chancellor takes buses that often
Dou: You wouldn't particularly expect
him say oh there's one
Stey: yeah it wouldn't
but this thing to me the most absurdly
sentiment is that somehow you make that you make the point in the book that
22:26

you make the point in the book that
we're supposed to celebrate diversity
& Britain is already like a big
Stanley Gibbons album it's got initially
it was the Empire yeah now you've got
people from places that were never
within her Majesty's dominions in any
sense

so it's I move beyond that to all kinds of all kinds of people & you say what point are we you know, we're not diverse enough so if we add another 1 million Pakistanis or we diverse enough or is it going to be another 4 million yeah good stuff yeah

Doug: I mean as I say the problem with parts of East London is that
they're not diverse enough but they
count as diverse
they just sort of the people who tick white British in enough of a number to make it a diverse place anymore

the sort of people who tick white British right in enough a number to make it a diverse place anymore but does that count
Stey: you're saying that diversity means now predominantly Muslim areas of East End yeah where all the non-muslims have found it uncomfortable & moved out

Doug: ell that's the thing you see cos the Kenneth Clark-like argument is; well there's still these bits of the countryside or elsewhere & sort you know they're they haven't had diversity enough actually that isn't true a lot of the people who don't live in places like East End

that isn't true a lot of the people who
don't live in places like East End of
London have moved out cos they tried diversity & they didn't liked it much
23:47 or you know they discovered that their area was entirely Bangladeshi
& they just didn't that wasn't what

you know they discovered that their
area was entirely Bangladeshi & they just didn't, that wasn't what they thought their future was going to be like & they they move out to Kent
Stey: yeah you a great paragraph
n the book, just like an
observation which is fascinating 24:09

that cos its about the difference between how we live our lives & the
attitudes we hold &you talk about
Swedes yeah in Stockholm who find their cities are all becoming a bit too
diverse & multicultural so they move out to the country to live
(face beams @ 'the Swedes')

becoming a bit too diverse & multicultural so they move out to the country to live among more of their ethnic Swedes but if asked by pollsters they still say that
oh yes we'd much prefer to live in more
diverse area

(facial expressions really telling)

the less diverse the area you move to the more in favor you are of diversity

Stey: right right

Dou: but you know at the heart of
it is it's one of these huge questions
which again we never asked ourselves & this is one thing too fascinating about it you know just looking over

just looking over the history of this we never ever predicted any of it & we never asked any of the serious questions & one of the things
that is most bizarre about this whole
thing is, what was it about ourselves
in Europe that we decided you
Europe is a really boring

Europe is a really boring uncultured
place that hasn't done enough or thought enough or created enough & what we really need is an injection of people from around the world to bring us their brilliant culture 25:23

of course is that we all know
that whoever doesn't want to know about the world's cultures & find out things.But the blessing you get from it isn't constant in relation to the numbers that arrive so the first Afghan
can introduce you to Afghan food but

the 1st Afghan can introduce you to Afghan food but the 1000th Afghan doesn't introduce you to more food than the first & the millionth & so on..
What is it about us that makes us think
that there's this hole in our heart, the
the culture that produced all of this in
Europe

the culture that produces
the Renaissance & the Reformation &
the heights of what we regard as
26:07 civilization right actually had a hole in it heart that needed filling cos
you never ever hear this about anywhere else

no one ever says think about
Somalia is they really need an input of
people from Wales yeah but go &
introduce them
Stey: yeah you know it's
really hard to find a good French
restaurant in Mogadishu & u know
the Chamber Orchestra really could u know..there's not enough Bach

Doug : this goes to the masochism that
we clearly indulge in that that as I say
26:45 in the book of one point you know we're in a great risk on this one that I mean the great problem for
masochists I'm telling is what happens
when they meet a real sadist

it's possible that we're in the process
of meeting our sadists yes & what
seemed to be just a sort of kink
turns out to be fatal
Stey: yep in other
words you're in the bondage dungeon &
you suddenly realize there is no safe
word to extend your metaphor 27:16

what I find interesting though...know as I go about I don't live there so
I go back to places sometimes places I
just went as a child. They're places I go to in every 7 8 10 15 years or whatever
& what's sad to me is that diversity
actually makes everywhere boring
27:49

if you go to a small town it's
particularly true in Germany &
Scandinavia you go to a small town in
remember is actually quite a pleasant
little Swedish town or Finnish town &
28:03 it's not that you're getting great
Pushtun cuisine it's that some
immigrants have come there

It's that some immigrants have come there & they're running a pizza & kebab place right, which is like the ebony & ivory of fast food in Northern Europe &
it's not great pizza & it's not great
kebab. It's just the drab
uniform face of this rather cheerless
multiculturalism

it's just the drab uniform face of this rather cheerless multiculturalism & you you travel around the continent I mean you can't honestly say it's enriching
can you ?

Doug: no no after a certain point no
I think the first bit is sort of
interesting & enriching then
then the returns slow down yeah &
you also of course then start to get the
problems this is this is the fact that I
was doing a recently in London

recently in London of the public discussion & debate & it was
really interesting moment there was this young right on PC German guy said you know I'm very happy with Angela Merkel did in 2015 & I think it's been
it'll make our country much much ..
he did all that stuff 29:22

Doug : you know I said
to him I said well okay
yeah you might get a slightly
cheaper cleaner off this maybe a slightly cheaper au pair if you have children &.you just gotta hope that your
kids don't like Ariana Grande & go on
the wrong night right 29:42

Doug : if you have children &.you just gotta hope that your
kids don't like Ariana Grande & go on
the wrong night right 29:42
(what the public is never told by these 'truth tellers ' like Murray)

Lets shine a light on the 'Britain's boots on the ground '

'series of revelations to come about the links between the British State & the Manchester Bomber'

Murray distracts the 'madness of crowds ' with storytelling to a ignorant, gullible public. Fearmongering

He never asks the REAL QUESTIONS we should all be asking of our GOVN

& if you are willing to take that risk
If it was presented like that,
I say it slightly tongue in cheek at 1 point in the book that the deal we seem to have come to on this in Europe is that on the the minus side we've got a bit more gang rape & beheading than we used 30:04

on the minus side we've got a bit
more gang rape & beheading than we
used to have but on the plus side
there's a much wider range of cuisine
it's all swings & roundabouts

Stey: yeah yeah yeah

it's all swings &
roundabouts
Syey: yeah yeah yeah

Doug: just going to
choose a u know..
if you have ever said to the public
I mean if Merkel said,
"now look ONLY a couple of people out the 1st million will be suicide bombers
30:23

only a couple of people out
1st million will be suicide bombers
30:23 u know & on the one side you
know you get a wider range of languages heard in your local neighborhood on the down side you know every now & then if you're standing outside the wine bar but you'll get blown up

Stey: you met these people at their ports of entry on the Mediterranean where they come in
& you're sweet & affable with them
& you wish them all good luck

Stey: the point isn't that some of them
suicide bombers & some of them are
rapists gang rapists child rapists
whatever

the point isn't that some of them r
suicide bombers & some of them r
rapists, gang rapists, child rapists
whatever
The point is that all of them en masse
eventually reach a point where they change Belgium or the Netherlands
into a mere territorial designation
D: Yes that's right

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