Uh no. If Baptists want to become Reformed, great! Adding predestination to a Baptist reading of redemptive history, Baptist polity, theology, piety, & practice does not make one Reformed. How dare I say such a thing? 1. Words mean things. 1/x
2/x 2. The word Reformed meant something before American Baptists (of whatever sort) discovered it. It signified a way of reading redemptive history (e.g., one cov of grace, multiple administrations and the theology, piety, & practice confessed by the Reformed churches).
3. The Reformed have been confessing this reading of redemptive history, theology, piety, & practice since the early 1520s. We’re still confessing it.
4. If you haven’t read and seriously considered the theology, piety, & practice of the Heidelberg Catechism (1563),
5/x cont. the Belgic Confession (1561), the Canons of Dort (1619), and the Westminster Standards (1640s) (not to mention the 1st Helvetic, the 2nd Helvetic, the Genevan Catechisms, the Anglican articles, the French Confession (1559), The Scots Confession (1560) etc)
6. cont. then you are just making up things as you go along. This is also true for the Baptist tradition(s). There are historic Baptist confessions which, though *formally* similar to the Westminster Standards, differ from them in *essential* ways.
7. No, just because there are (more or less) 60 million Baptists in N. America they don’t get to re-define the word “Reformed.”
8. Yes, it’s true that words change their meaning but it’s not true that because Baptists have taken to calling themselves “Reformed” that therefore the meaning of the word has been fundamentally changed.
8. The P&R churches are relatively tiny but we’re still here and we’re still confessing the same faith we’ve always confessed.
9. We can tell the confessions still mean something (and that the word Baptist still means something: let a Baptist minister try to enter a confessional P&R denom w/o changing his views. He will not sustain his interview w/presbytery or classis.
10. Let a P&R minister try to enter the ministry of a Baptist church w/o changing his mind re baptism. Would they have him? Not likely.
11. Will Baptists stand for P&R people calling themselves Baptist (because we do baptize hitherto unbaptized converts)? No. If “Baptist” still means something then why doesn’t “Reformed” still mean something?
There are a million places for Baptist and Baptistic evangelicals to be beside the SBC.
Thread. Saw a video re an officer-involved-shooting. Commenter(s) asked: “why didn’t the officer shoot him the leg?” This is why: shooting a firearm well is a lot like swinging a golf club. It involves a lot of fine motor movements, except, unlike hitting a golf ball there is an
explosion in front of one’s face. It’s unnatural. Those things make shooting difficult even when she’s just on the range. Squeeze the grip just a little too hard and the shot goes down and to the left. Flinch in anticipation of the shot/bang and the shot goes wide.
Now, when an officer arrives at a scene she often has a sketchy report (e.g.,man with a knife). She sees the threat, which is not usually stationary, as she pulls to a stop. She’s moving as she gets out of the car (she has to get out of her seatbelt just like you but
It simply doesn’t follow and there is no evidence that the apostles or early post-apostolic church intended to say Ekklesia, in Christsn use, meant what it meant in secular usage.
Ekklesia is used in the LXX (The Greek translation of the Old Testament) in place of the Hebrew word for “covenant assembly.“ This is how it is used in the New Testament.
It would help the evangelical discussion re church/state (e.g., masks, distancing, meeting indoors etc) to distinguish between the state's interest in regulating things *around* worship, that are common to all gatherings, and regulating the material of worship.
We all recognize (or we did before Covid) that the community, as represented by civil gov't, has a proper interest in the general welfare of the community. Thus, I'm unaware of any church that has refused to allow the fire dept or the health dept to do inspections.
How many churches now certify that their youth/nursery workers are not sexual offenders? How many have made training in re ipsa mandatory? Our church buildings must be built to local safety/fire codes. No one reasonably objects to such civil regulation.
There are a number of teachers/preachers within NAPARC & without who teach that we do good works *for* salvation. Some say that good works are the instrument of “final salvation.”
Any such teaching would turn the covenant of grace into a covenant of works, were it possible. They want to steal your joy & freedom in Christ & replace it with guilt & servile fear in order to drive you to more good works.
The people who tell you "Reformed Is Not Enough" almost never know what they're talking about. First try actually being Reformed for a week before you start telling people to move on.
People who tell you that "Reformed Is Not Enough" and who corrupt the holy gospel are not qualified to criticize the Reformed faith. They don't even get the gospel right.
How hard is to to get the gospel right? It's not that complex: salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. The ground of justification is the imputed righteousness of Christ, received through faith alone.
To whom it may concern, Geerhardus Vos was not a Baptist. He did not read the history of redemption the way Baptists do. He saw ONE covenant of grace running throughout redemptive history, with various administrations.
Recognizing progress in the revelation and realizing of redemption does not make one a proto-Baptist. The Reformed have ALWAYS done this. For Vos, as a Reformed theologian, the covenants in the OT were the covenant of grace.
They did not merely anticipate the covenant of grace or somehow participate by anticipation (prolepsis) the covenant of grace. They WERE the covenant of grace or administrations of the covenant of grace.