Thread by @AgainstGop

Conservatives understand porn's ills; photorealistic imagery of the sexual act and masturbation.
They understand it robs men of drive and respect for women, besides the rape & sex trafficking involved.
They find allies in Feminist on these grounds—what about casual sex? Harmless?

A litany of disposed sexual encounters is somehow *less* psyche & soul warping? Lmao.

Conservatives missed the boat on anti-porn crusades, just as on anti-prostitution and anti-abortion crusades, bc they surrended a long time ago on the fundamental issue of the "sexual default".

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@HMDatMI wrote about the default in the context of #MeToo — the feeling of being 'raped' many women report is not accidental; neither male misunderstanding

But this is just a facet of the problem—Whatever mental damage porn provides, cheap sex does worse

At what point in our evolutionary past prior to birth control technologies (a consequence of the Industrial century) would *most* people not only be unchaste, but have had even five sex partners before marriage? Five is, as us youfs know, a hilariously small number these days.

I am for all Conservative, Radical Feminist, Reactionary Feminist, Cottagecore, Tradwife, Retvrn, Sundress Nationalist essaying at the Porn Question. Please, ban it. Perhaps it will have its Rufo soon.

But as with anti-CRT, there's an issue Liberal pieties can't bear to touch;

You cannot expect the fruits of evolved civilizational order, after you've cut down the long cultivated orchards which bear it—only to let sacred cows trample or nip every sapling that buds.

There is *one way* or another; it's compromise which got us here. It's dogma to get out.

You'll see the Porn Question advance for real when traditional/religious conservatives and feminists 'but not like that, *good*, I swear!' types get serious on the most impactful social consequence of industralization; licit premarital sex.

The inversion imho broke the West.

Every serious civilization's solution to the libido of young people is for them to marry and start families. Marriage as the moral context for sexual love.

The West today believes differently; sexual love as the moral context for Marriage!

The inversion is subtle, but huge;

With no expectation of marriage before sex, sex ceases to be either a unique proposition, or one attendant upon having children—It becomes principally about sexual pleasure

Alleged conservative's refrain on 'no-fault' divorce:

"bad marriage! but trapped in a bad marriage! bad!"

If you press them about what a bad marriage looks like, they proceed to describe the circumstances judges gave women (and men) divorces for routinely before the era of Reagan (same guy that did illegal alien amnesty and machinegun bans) exploding the matrimonial institution.

Objections of 'fairness' will be brought up. The dreaded Double Standard.

I invite all adult heterosexuals, male and female, to be honest with themselves on two points;

1)What is likely the opinion of women who want to marry, of a man who is a virgin, vs. men of the same;

and

2) in what circumstances besides coercive ones, i.e. 'rape, more or less. at least rape-y', does sex result besides a woman choosing to have sex? in other words; how often, given the option, do unattached single men turn down sex? is it not sought by men, permitted by women?

In this lens, most reactionary efforts to ban porn are pissing in the wind.

What exactly, is the objective? The stated objective is something noble like 'healthier gender relations and more marriages!'

The marriage rate had been dropping long before OnlyFans & PornHub, though.

I think the actual, unconscious/unstated purpose is to Look Serious. That is, it's a pose, a way to be one of the cool kids.

It's like how Republicans stated they wanted to 'repeal Obamacare'. I agreed—they should have, for many reasond. The only trouble was, they didn't agree!

Here are some things that look more serious to me than just 'Let's ban porn' (which, ofc we should), though they are not electorally realistic:

- ending no fault divorce
- ending elective abortion
- mandatory visitation, with child support
- alimony elimination
- banning Plan B

Since these can't readily be made law, they'll be private law; privus lex—privilege. Often, the *loss* of privilege. That is to say, intense social dis-esteem by circles who care.

Add on:
- slut shaming (yes, no shame = no honor)

- Marriage, parenthood, family size honoring

You'll notice that these look basically like the social decorum of your grandparents, or great grandparents depending on your age.

A better world lived not so long ago—It doesn't wait too far off in the future.