1)The second to last of my convo with Mike from WCM:

“A big trend for Chinese software over the next 10-20 years will be internationalization. We are the first innings of this today. For some tech companies, I suspect the future profit pool globally will be bigger than China...
2) We've seen a couple of big success stories: Zoom and Tiktok have emerged just in the last couple of years. But I think that's the tip of the iceberg.

There are two kinds of plays here.
3) The first is consumer internet/gaming, China is on the bleeding edge. It's almost inevitable that Chinese companies will seek to export business models to the rest of the world.

Examples: Bigo, Yalla, Tiktok, Crossfire (sort of), etc.
4) The second is more interesting - SME tooling products. Chinese companies can potentially disrupt global incumbents with products at a disruptive price and different distribution.
5) Enterprise software and professional / design software (engineering, EDA, etc) will be pretty safe from competition in the medium term.

But there's a lot of interesting opportunities in prosumer and with hardware + software model:
6) Take Autel - They sell diagnostic tools for cars for professional mechanics. The tool is just software loaded onto a commodity Android pad. They can sell in mass channels and price at a 50%+ discount to incumbents. Very disruptive.
7) Fujian Foxit is another. They sell PDF editors - not quite Adobe level, but at a fraction of the price and single perpetual licenses. Adobe's subscription strategy created a huge pricing advantage for them.
8) Agora is a third. In use cases like online education and livestreaming, China is at the cutting edge. Agora leverages learning and export it at a fraction of Twilio’s costs. Longer-term, I suspect Agora's opportunity set is bigger outside of China.
notboring.co/p/bull-and-bea…
9) Chinese companies have historically been bad at managing multinational and multicultural workforces. But the footprint needed outside of China for digital services is often modest and distribution now is easier. The best companies though will develop these "global" muscles
10) Chinese software firms are using the typical innovator’s dilemma playbook: finding the fringe users in the global market - emerging markets, hobbyists, students, etc.
Incumbents may ignore them as it’s not their core markets.
Makings of a good HBS case study in 10-20 years.
11) Investors should be paying attention. For software products that do not require significant localization and have global appeal, China has the potential to produce some big winners.”
12) WCM is recruiting a generalist China analyst. If you are passionate about doing deep fundamental research in China and want to do it as a part of a tight-knit, collaborative, and slightly irreverent team (or if you know someone who’d be perfect)
linkedin.com/jobs/view/2395…

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23 Jun
1) So China's version of the office communication software war is between DingTalk (of Alibaba) and Lark (of Bytedance).
WeChat Enterprise has pivoted to become a retailer focused B2B2C coms tool.

I've heard good things about Lark but think DingTalk will win the market
2) Both gained traction during Covid lockdown but DingTalk's adoption is way ahead. In Nov 2020, according to Caixin, DingTalk's MAU was 173 million while Lark had 1.5 million MAU.
DingTalk was prolific and latched on to schools and service sector early.
3) Both are software created for internal need. Given Chinese tech's love of making a cost centre into a revenue line, both were then offered to the market for free.

The interesting thing about internal software, is that they mirror the originator's organisational culture
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1) I spoke to the China fund PM of a $90bn AUM asset manager who had a good take. Mike of WCM thinks anti-monopoly enforcement in China will be good for investors in the long run.

(Sidenote: WCM is hiring a China analyst - JD here linkedin.com/jobs/view/2395…)
2) Most investors’ natural tendency is to invest in dominant businesses. Especially in monopolies given their economic moats and very high margins / ROICs.
Mike thinks this might not be the right approach.
3) With dominance, businesses can lose the drive and pressure that made them great. The more profitable the business, the more difficult it is to keep the company’s culture sharp.
“It’s tough to get up at 5 am to train when you’ve been sleeping in silk pyjamas”. Marvin Hagler
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10 Jun
1) I spoke with the China-focused portfolio manager of a $90bn AUM fund.

Mike Tian of WCM thinks Chinese tech who focuses on asset and operationally heavy businesses are more attractive investments then than asset-light businesses.

Counterintuitive, but here's why:
2) The conventional thinking is for internet companies to be 'Light': asset-light, people light, outsource all the ‘grunt work’ to the ecosystem, focus on ‘platform’, earn high margins and high returns on capital.

Mike thinks this might be a mistake
3) With heavier operational and asset business, while the initial outlay is higher, there’s also a chance of cultivating a wider moat. Especially true in China as big internet businesses are cross-vertical ecosystems, and barriers of entry for light businesses are very low.
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8 Jun
1) Let's talk about how the business models of Chinese edtech unicorns Zuoyebang (作业帮), Yuanfudao (猿辅导) and VIPKids were such a success and completed billions in fundraise and hired thousands in 2020 alone.

And also how the methods of their success came back to bite them. Image
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3) The offering (numbers from GSX) there's a trial package for 49 RMB which includes a lecture with a teacher typically from a brand name school and scores of teaching accolades. Followed by 1-to-1 tutoring to go over specific points with the student.
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13 May
1) Let's talk about the history of JD.com and its complicated founder Richard Liu - a man who grew up in poverty and arrived in Beijing with 76 eggs.
Today JD.com is worth $110bn and has 3 successful spinouts to its name.
2) Growing up in a small village Jiangsu, Liu had no stable electricity or running water. Meat was a treat served on special occasions, and his grandmother would bribe the butchers with peanuts for a fattier cut each year.
3) In middle school, he took his entire savings of 50 RMB and went to Nanjing by way of Xuzhou. In Nanjing he saw the Jinling Mansion Hotel, a 37-story building, the tallest he had ever seen.
He realised there was an entire world outside of Suqian and he wanted to see it.
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10 May
1) Let's talk about a growth hack that Chinese apps use to get those eye-watering DAU and user numbers.

It's 地推 aka field sales but not as we know it. An entire ecosystem springs up to take advantage of sign-up subsidies to hook some bargain hunting users.
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We Pass'ed...hoho

Pass proceeded to school me on how app sign-ups are done
3) Turns out consumer apps will have 'co-operation partners agreement' with 3P companies when they are pushing out new apps. For every new user that signs up, these companies get a fee ranging from 50 RMB - 10 RMB / $7 - $1.5(depending on the app and region)
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