@BrubruGeek @jesseschell 1) Anyone interested in ludology generally (and even TTRPG designers) can benefit greatly by reading him. Want to make it clear upfront that ANY framework and definition of games inevitably excludes swaths of games. Which he admits himself and thus places his ontology as fuzzy.
@BrubruGeek @jesseschell 2) Getting to it, the concept of space as presented needs a fairly radical retune and or different perspective rewrite to match TTRPGs. The reductionist 0-dimension explanation (simple mental space) doesn't reflect the actual reality of play and experience.
@BrubruGeek @jesseschell It's especially a need in the types of game spaces list and conception. So by his own advice, we should chuck it out and replace/repurpose it to match our domain.
@BrubruGeek @jesseschell 3) A bit less severe of a retune, perhaps more of a refocus, objects and attributes function in a distinctly different way than in video games and most board games. Most on BG but the exceptions are notably reputed to be like RPG hybrids or have certain RPG-ish traits.
@BrubruGeek @jesseschell 4) States are a weird case. In some ways, they explanation is a perfect parallel (especially for things like HP, wounded statuses, etc). But it is expressed too narrowly to encompass the possible states and state functions in a storytelling or roleplaying game.
@BrubruGeek @jesseschell 5) Actions are a split instance entirely. The point about verbing is FANTASTIC and so painfully applicable to TTRPGs it should be written is 60 pt bold font at the beginning of every book on RPG mechanics. But the framework of operative and resulting is only vaguely fitting.
@BrubruGeek @jesseschell Actions would need to be reframed in some way that is inclusive of narratives. In *our personal subjective house opinion*, we believe TTRPG actions would be better phrased in terms of who and how the actions impact play. That would still fit broadly gameplay but also TTRPGs.
@BrubruGeek @jesseschell Whether cards, board games, TTRPGs, video games, or so on, whether an action impacts the player (and whether it is protective/defensive/entrenching or shifting/deflecting/flipping or aggressive/impeding, etc) really informs a ton of play feel and experience.
@BrubruGeek @jesseschell OK, done now. The overall perspective and philosophical differences are clear enough. And again, not at all dogging his work. It's great work. It is just sometimes not a great fit as-is for TTRPGs. But it's certainly insightful and can be hacked into a TTRPG build. Back to you.
• • •
Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to
force a refresh
