One observation & then I'm done for day:
Over the last few years conservatives in multiple denoms have pushed against Side B Xians (vowed celibate Xians who experience same-sex attraction) for using the linguistic marker of "gay" & sometimes even "same-sex attracted."
As best I can tell, some conservatives think these terms necessarily imply a person is claiming & embracing same-sex desire or same-sex sexual expression. Still, others object to the terms on the grounds of "testimony"--seeing them as a Q of indentification or affiliation.
Setting aside theological Qs for a minute, we need to think about linguistics. Because ISTM that both of these concerns fail to understand the broader cultural language.
Perhaps at one time, using a signifier like "gay" or "same-sex attracted" meant what conservatives take it to mean. But over the last decade or so, the conversation has rapidly developed, and meanings have narrowed as more terms have been added to it.
For good or bad, young people today can parse 100 different features of biological sex, gender identity, sexuality, & sexual practice. They speak of differences btwn sexual attraction & romantic attraction. In their world, you can be simultaneously gay & asexual.
IOW, a person who is same-sex attracted AND celibate is a completely rational proposition for them. In fact, using both these signifiers might be among the best ways to communicate traditional sexual ethic in coming years b/c it uses known language & categories
So my question is this: Whose linguistic categories are we prioritizing in these conversations? Who do we have in mind when we raise concerns about "testimony"?
My instinct tells me that conservatives are talking amongst ourselves. While we may have parsed theological categories, we haven't done sufficient linguistic/missiological field work.
Again, I'm not talking about redefining traditional Xian sexual ethics. I'm simply saying...
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It's true that there are a lot of faithful people in the SBC who love Jesus & just want to love their neighbors well. It's also true that corrupt leaders can scuttle their efforts. If you love the people in the pew, you'll stand against those who use them for their own power.
It doesn't matter whether or not the people in the pew know the names of the top leaders in the SBC. There's a whole swath of mid-level leaders who do, who stand between the most powerful & grass roots. What they choose to do makes all the difference to people in the pew.
As a baptist pastor's wife for most of my adult life, I've lived through multiple microcosms of what's playing out right now in the SBC. No, it was never a struggle over millions of $ & millions of congregants, but the dynamics were the same.
I love that churches are thinking this way. It also tells me that we can do this for women in conservative spaces whose primary ministries often function (of necessity) outside the gathered church.
1) Immanuel is not hiring Dr. Moore as a pastor/elder. 2) They are providing him a space & support to do a work that is directed outward, recognizing that it benefits the church universal.
So many women in conservative spaces are caught in the gears of local church polity & their call to ministry. Most are not interested in being named elders or pastors. They just want to do the work the Holy Spirit has gifted & called them to do.
For those following evangelical gender debates can I suggest that there are (at least) 2 streams of conservativism:
1)Those who believe authority stems from maleness.
2)Those who believe certain roles necessitate embodied maleness & authority stems from the role not the body.
I do not have sufficient words to tell you how significant these differences are. And I have a lot of words.
ISTM that this is the real watershed & predicts everything downstream. It also explains why some complementarians find greater affinity w/ patriarchy while some find more partnership w/ egalitarians.
Per previous thread about motherhood, work, & society:
You may rightly respond that fatherhood is also difficult & that men must make choices btwn work & family, too. I don't doubt this. The Q is about shape of society: does it support male embodiment or female embodiment?
Obviously, we are limited beings & we cannot do two things at once. Choice is inherent in this limitation. The Q is the difference btwn inherent choices & manufactured choices. To what degree does our society create *extra* conflict for women beyond that inherent in limitation?
To what degree does the shape of our society accomodate & support the inherent choices of male bodies while adding burden to the inherent choices of female bodies?
The reactions to this piece from @ebruenig are something else. I also became a mother at 25 & while there have been many struggles along the way, I've never once thought they were the result of my children or my own fertility.
Given the nature of our work, our family often moves simultaneously in working class & professional class spaces. In the latter, I'm always among the youngest mothers. But in the former, my peers have adult children & may be grandmothers.
Don't underestimate how much of the rage at @ebruenig's piece is about class & economics & the failure to follow "the success sequence" which demands that you establish your career before having children.
Those conservatives who are truly, convictionally, exegetically conservative irt to gender (& aren't just using the label for cover) are those who make every possible effort to hear women's voices & enable women's giftedness for the sake of the Kingdom.
Those who go out of their way to do the opposite are... something else.
At some point, labels & claims are meaningless. Instead, show me your actions. Show me how you have honored the Holy Spirit's work in & thru *all* God's sons & daughters. Show me how you've removed barriers & equipped them to run fast toward the work He's calling them to.