@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP Huge difference between these, as soon as you LOOK at the nature of the use, so he's NOT lying, POORE IS. Hardly surprising since he's a vegan, and was senior associate of Marakon who specialize in 'pre emptive activism' for corporates.
So first, water. Obviously
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP the girls didn't warn ya, that rainfall is low, Wales by contrast, it rains most days of the year, x8 more rain. SO the nature of water makes a difference.
Secondly, land. Again, these two things are not the same.
Livestock co habit land with biodiversity much more robustly than
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP on arable land. And, other land sharing eg tourism and even mixed crop growing. Here's my area compared with Almeria.

This is repeated wherever you have land use by livestock v crops. So take for eg
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP Ranch grasslands in the USA places like Texas where the deer and the antelope play, you know, HOME ON THE RANGE not in crop dust bowls.
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP So you have predators too. Contrast Texas no 1 cattle state, with Kansas no 1 crop state, Cougar numbers.
Much of the Texas 'ranging' cattle of course on marginal land to boot, unsuitable for crops, thus not intensive land use by nature unlike crops, which furthermore damages
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP biodiversity well beyond the land actually used. SO, almons again = bee damage, monocrops = insect and birds damage through pesticides, and land exhaustion through arable - further commitment to new land required. Meanwhile, as these industrial crop models cause havoc to
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP biodiversity, we continue to see robust species numbers eg wolves Kazakh/Mongolia, cheetah Namibia, & wolves & bear Balkans & N. Turkey which have had livestock culture for some time. Loom Serbia map its stark difference between pastoral area & crops. Then note the CO PRODUCE of
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP this land use, and the fact much of it is marginal land unsuitable from crops, and again ranging ie lighter footprint but more extensive land use than crops. The co produce is VERY important and Poore IGNORES it totally!
So WHERE is the land use account for alternatives to eg
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP tallow v palm oil? Wan't so long ago we did virtually without palm oil with soap, candles, cosmetics (eg lipstick beeswax, butter, cochineal), and baked products cakes etc used tallow not palm: from the SAME land use.
Then of course you need extra resources for textiles etc &
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP again these's no accounting for this in Poore's account, which btw claims itself big data but reps only 0.006% of farms worldwide, and a methodological overview that may contain meta bias selection of farms studied. This MATTERS, and I DO have figures he has ignored for eg on
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP the emissions caused by global clothing= 10% of total emissions (outweighing meat) driven entirely by synthetics & poor quality cotton textiles from exhaustive sources eg Aral sea & these feed nobody -in case Aral sea wiped out 24 species AND food source. threadreaderapp.com/thread/1396976…
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP So check that thread for the actual figures they are SIGNIFICIANT and problem is because they are NOT durable compared to wool & leather (from same land & resources as meat & dairy) commit to CONSTANT production & landfill.
Indeed the omission of such figures SHOULD have been
@ElliottWins @Evsthetractor @JoannaBlythman @1GarethWynJones @fleroy1974 @GHGGuru @CotswoldLadyB @LouiseStephen9 @Culturalmistake @RhianepFW @NFUCymru @SKurtzCWSP glaringly obvious at peer review and points to the pathetic system of peer review at picking things like this up. And of course the reason for that is, academia is being funded BY people like Gates, Wellcome & Grantham which I deal with in here threadreaderapp.com/thread/1387378…

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