Thread by @joefirestonephd

@KeithMcCallin @netbacker @sdgrumbine @AdamCforMD @SheilaRuthD44B @OurPlanet2024 @SandyDarity @MarkFabian21 @RedBeretsM4All @WholeWashington @GabrielAcevero @CaptainStack @briebriejoy 1) WW is an SP system. Also, The RTTB argument is an easy one to make because we've seen it in operation both domestically & internationally since the 1950s when some manufacturers started moving South to escape high labor costs & high taxes in Northern States.

@KeithMcCallin @netbacker @sdgrumbine @AdamCforMD @SheilaRuthD44B @OurPlanet2024 @SandyDarity @MarkFabian21 @RedBeretsM4All @WholeWashington @GabrielAcevero @CaptainStack @briebriejoy 2) OTOH, there are reasons why the populations of States like NY, IL MI, MN, MA, PA, TX, FL, CA, OR, WA, GA, NC, and NV, have grown faster than neighboring States at various times in history. To see whether businesses and/or people will be victims of an RTTB or beneficiaries...

@KeithMcCallin @netbacker @sdgrumbine @AdamCforMD @SheilaRuthD44B @OurPlanet2024 @SandyDarity @MarkFabian21 @RedBeretsM4All @WholeWashington @GabrielAcevero @CaptainStack @briebriejoy 3) of an RTTT, one has to look at a variety of advantages & disadvantages offered by a State. People criticizing a State-based strategy look at higher taxes 4 businesses & conclude that businesses will flee the State 4 higher taxes. Georgia Davenport points out that employers ...

@KeithMcCallin @netbacker @sdgrumbine @AdamCforMD @SheilaRuthD44B @OurPlanet2024 @SandyDarity @MarkFabian21 @RedBeretsM4All @WholeWashington @GabrielAcevero @CaptainStack @briebriejoy 4) "...will not flee higher taxes when the amount they will pay under WWHT is significantly less than what most employers pay currently. Many employers pay over 15% of payroll to healthcare. The WWHT is 8.5% with the first $15k exempted." So, that's a factor motivating RTTT...

@KeithMcCallin @netbacker @sdgrumbine @AdamCforMD @SheilaRuthD44B @OurPlanet2024 @SandyDarity @MarkFabian21 @RedBeretsM4All @WholeWashington @GabrielAcevero @CaptainStack @briebriejoy 5) compared to other States. Critics also note that people may flock to WA due to single-payer increasing social services burden in WA & other States that adopt it. However, increases in population can also mean increases in consumer demand and labor supply factors that...

@KeithMcCallin @netbacker @sdgrumbine @AdamCforMD @SheilaRuthD44B @OurPlanet2024 @SandyDarity @MarkFabian21 @RedBeretsM4All @WholeWashington @GabrielAcevero @CaptainStack @briebriejoy 6) can increase the attractiveness of a state & contribute to RTTT. Sometimes critics mention that single-payer states may lose medical personnel to surrounding States that will pay higher fees to providers. That could be a problem, but it could also be that more and better...

@KeithMcCallin @netbacker @sdgrumbine @AdamCforMD @SheilaRuthD44B @OurPlanet2024 @SandyDarity @MarkFabian21 @RedBeretsM4All @WholeWashington @GabrielAcevero @CaptainStack @briebriejoy 7) medical professionals would be attracted to a State that through single-payer reduced the paperwork burden on professionals, increasing the time they have to actually practice medicine, which is why most of them went into the health care industry in the first place...

@KeithMcCallin @netbacker @sdgrumbine @AdamCforMD @SheilaRuthD44B @OurPlanet2024 @SandyDarity @MarkFabian21 @RedBeretsM4All @WholeWashington @GabrielAcevero @CaptainStack @briebriejoy 8) IOW, the RTTB critics of single-payer need to be specific, even to model the likelihood that RTTB will win out over RTTT in the single-payer area. They have not done that, but just assume that RTTB will prevail rather than RTTT. And even if they do, in the future, model...

@KeithMcCallin @netbacker @sdgrumbine @AdamCforMD @SheilaRuthD44B @OurPlanet2024 @SandyDarity @MarkFabian21 @RedBeretsM4All @WholeWashington @GabrielAcevero @CaptainStack @briebriejoy 9) various factors, we have 2 remember simulation models are only as good as assumptions that go into them. So, we need 2 see models & carefully evaluate them. Ppl who use them2 arrive at conclusions should be required 2 share models 4 evaluation or lose standing in debate.

@KeithMcCallin @netbacker @sdgrumbine @AdamCforMD @SheilaRuthD44B @OurPlanet2024 @SandyDarity @MarkFabian21 @RedBeretsM4All @WholeWashington @GabrielAcevero @CaptainStack @briebriejoy 10) I'm reminded of the Rinehart/Rogoff modeling fiasco, where policy makers crafted austerity policies in line w/ their findings & 3 years later it was found that they made serious calculation errors, poor methodology & had highly questionable assumptions. Ppl died as a result!