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Aug 29, 2021 6 tweets 3 min read Read on X
Joining @FlintDibble and @rogueclassicist and others in a call for @AntigoneJournal to drop their problematic platforming of eugenicist.

Antigone can do great work and the journal is doing a disservice to its other authors by standing behind a bad decision
All of us who move into this new, fast digital space make mistakes trying to respond and adapt. I have have RT'd some bad stuff, said stupid things, and thought better of earlier stances.
A good journal should have a public editorial board and a clear statement on where their funding comes from.

They should also consider their constituents.
I think we can go easy on anyone who took Antigone's money and did something else with it. There was nothing disingenuous there and I think we all take compromised funds in one way or another.
But @antigonejournal team, you can help us all set a standard for positive engagement by rethinking the damage that supporting that work can do.

#Cicero can take this away...

“All people make mistakes; but it is fools who persist in them”
cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis perseverare in errore

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Jun 3
Today we are arguing about translations and translating the Odyssey!

In particular, let’s fight about the phrase…. οὐκ ἐθέλων ἐθελούσῃ (ouk ethelōn ethelousē)

Come for the grammar, stay for the comparison of translations!
This phrase is used to describe Odysseus and Calypso when Hermes first arrives on Ogygia in book 5

It can be translated as something like “[he slept alongside her] unwillingly while she was willing” and is a particular pointed phrase
But it is a little more complicated than that and also a good indication of how Greek differs from English and some other languages

Participles are really what makes ancient Greek different. Early Greek tends to have a lot of participles and they can do very different things
Read 17 tweets
May 27
Today we are arguing about Odysseus' name!

Odysseus vs. Ulysses
The Odyssey itself toys with the hero's name. It can be traced to the verb odussomai, which means to hate or to be hateful
Athena may allude to this in book 1 when she says to Zeus:

“…Didn’t Odysseus please you
By making sacrifices along the ships of the Argives
In broad Troy? Why are you so hateful [ôdusao] to him, Zeus?”
Read 22 tweets
May 25
just to sum up, 5 points on the rancor over nolan's #odyssey cast

1. Epic is myth and fantasy, not history. these are not real people, they are part of stories

2. The terms used to describe heroes within epic are ambiguous and flexible and change over time
3. The ancient audiences conceived of the heroic world as one big interconnected family, Dannaus, Aegyptus, Agenor etec knit Persians, Greeks, Egyptians, and Phoenicians into one family. Hektor and Memnon were cousins!
4. Skin color and other physical features in epic don't map onto modern concepts of race. These assumptions are truly anachronistic and have everything to do with our own preoccupations
Read 4 tweets
May 25
One final thread on why the gender, race, appearance of actors in the #Odyssey shouldn’t matter, and, moreover, why appearances are more complicated in this epic than any other
Athena repeatedly makes him ugly and nobler again, so much so that there’s no sense of what he truly looks like: is he the pirate man in book 8, the withered beggar in book 16, the godlike man before Telemachus in book 16, or the cleaned up beau of Penelope in book 23?
Athena repeatedly makes him ugly and nobler again, so much so that there’s no sense of what he truly looks like: is he the pirate man in book 8, the withered beggar in book 16, the godlike man before Telemachus in book 16, or the cleaned up beau of Penelope in book 23?
Read 16 tweets
May 11
sorry folks. Achilles and Odysseus are not role models, they are epic heroes. Each epic starts by specifying their destructiveness to their communities.

Iliad: Achilles's rage sends myriad Achaeans to their doom

Odyssey: Odysseus tried to bring his men home and failed
in fact, the entire heroic age--the events of the Theban and Trojan Wars--is aimed at ERADICATING THE RACE OF HEROES because they are too bellicose towards each other and irreverent towards the gods [see Hesiod's Works and Days and the fragmentary Cypria]
And this is not a modern reading. As early as the 6th century BCE, allegorical interpretations [i.e., those that assumed the epics contained secret or indirect meanings] were dominant alongside the understanding that the poems were complex and their protagonists flawed
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Dec 29, 2024
#odyssey discourse whirling around, but reading epic is not easy because it is a little weird

1. I think almost no one in antiquity ‘read’ Homeric epic from beginning to end.
They listened to episodes and then later read passages. It would have been rare to experience either epic from beginning to end
one would have gone to reading the epic from beginning to end without prior knowledge of the characters and plots, the backstories and variations2.No
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