Alibaba cloud is arguably the most bullish aspect of the $BABA thesis even though it’s <10% of FY21 total revenues and not yet profitable. Currently they have ~40% of cloud market share in China.
1/ The cloud market in China is only in early stages of development. They are approximately 5-6 years behind the US if they can replicate the same growth trends that a company like $AMZN has been able to achieve with AWS.
2/ the US and Chinese cloud market is very different and not a perfect comparison. But $AMZN & $BABA are the dominant players in each market so I will make some comparisons throughout the thread.
3/ Between 2010-2020 the cloud market had a ~30% CAGR. The global cloud computing market is expected to grow at a 17.5% CAGR until 2025. Being in early stages, the Chinese market theoretically should grow faster than the global market average.
4/ During the most recent earnings report from $BABA, cloud revenue grew 29% YoY. This was much lower than it could have been due to Covid-19 impacts and the Bytedance (Tik-Tok) contract. That 29% growth in a slow year is a good sign.
5/ In the second quarter of 2020, Alibaba cloud had an unprofitable -9% adjusted EBITDA margin. In the second quarter of 2021 it had a profitable 2% adjusted EBITDA margin.
6/ In comparison, For the three months ended June 2021, AWS contributed $14.8 billion in revenue and $4.2 billion in EBIT to Amazon (28% EBIT margin). Revenue growth of 37% & EBIT growth of 24%.
7/ over the past 5 years AWS has grown revenues at ~35% annually. IF Alibaba Cloud can grow revenues at even half that rate going forward it could become a meaningful part of $BABA total revenues.
8/ If we take a conservative growth rate of 20-25% over the next 5yrs than Alibaba Cloud FY26 revenue would reach between $22-27B (USD). Which is about 20% of LTM total revenues for $BABA.
9/ it would not be unlikely to see growth of 30% which would contribute ~$33B revenue towards $BABA. If they can achieve a conservative 20% EBIT margin (AWS ~28% EBIT margin), Alibaba Cloud could be worth approx $200B on its own in FY26 (30x EBIT multiple).
10/ I think it’s fair to say Alibaba cloud in FY26 will be worth between $100-200B USD which is approx. ~20-40% of the current $BABA market cap. If they match AWS growth and margins (unlikely, not impossible) it could be worth >$300B.
11/ ‘IF’ you believe the intrinsic value of the $BABA E-commerce business is worth more than the current market cap than you potentially could have a $200B cloud business for free + 1/3 of Ant Financial.
Disclosure: long $BABA
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Thread/ $HIFS - A high quality, small-cap bank with exceptional management.
1/ Hingham Institution for Savings was founded in 1834 as a mutual savings bank in Boston, Massachusetts. It eventually listed in 1988.
2/ $HIFS currently have 11 locations, 8 of which are in the South Shore of Massachusetts. The have also recently expanded into Washington D.C in which management recognise as a similar market and a growth opportunity.
3/ Currently $HIFS has a market cap of $680M. Since 1993 when the Gaughen family took full control of the bank, the stock has returned 100-1 for shareholders. Pretty impressive considering how small the company still is.
Thread/ $BABA news on the CCP breaking up Alipay lending business.
1/ The media and fintwit are again jumping on the news and pushing an overly negative spin on the impact of the CCP breaking up the Ant Group’s credit/lending business.
2/ it was announced that the CCP plans to break up Ant Group's Alipay and create a separate app for the loans business, the Financial Times reported.
3/ The plan will also result in Ant turning over the user data that underpins lending decisions to a new credit scoring joint-venture that will be partly state-owned.
$BABA returns on incremental invested capital (ROIIC) over past 9yrs is ~18%. Over the past 3yrs it was ~19%. Reinvestment rate over the same time periods was 130% & 102%. That has lead to intrinsic value compounding of 23% & 19% respectively
1/ With Alibaba Cloud requiring a lot of capital and just beginning to approach profitability, I have no reason to believe $BABA won't maintain a similar reinvestment rate & returns over the next 5 years..
2/ The core commerce business will continue to be extremely profitable and produce strong cash flows & returns for the business. I think it's hard to argue otherwise, regardless of any upcoming government crackdowns & interventions.
$SHVA operates payments systems for debit cards and mobile payments (Apple & Google pay) in Israel. If it traded on any major exchange would likely be >2x the current price.
1/ first note is that $V & $MA are not competition. They don’t compete in the market and actually own ~10% of $SHVA shares each. The company was founded by Israeli banks.
2/ Shares are very illiquid. Large share holders such as the banks, Visa & MasterCard own ~60% of the company. The illiquidity is the main reason the company trades and such low multiples. Trading on Tel Aviv stock exchange doesn’t help either.
Thread/ $BABA recently announced a 100B RMB contribution to common prosperity in China. The equivalent of $15.5B (USD).
Here is a bit of a deeper look and the impact in may have on Alibaba…
1/ firstly, I want to clarify the wording that was used. The $15B would be “an investment in science and technology to support small and medium-sized companies to enter the global market, increase employment rates and help reduce inequality between urban and rural digital life”
2/ $BABA will spread the money between 10 initiatives over the next 4-5 years. Unlike $TCEHY who did not give a time frame on their contribution, Alibaba have an end date of 2025. Both of the tech giants pledged the same ~$15.5B amount.
As of May, 2020 I decided to switch from index investing into stock picking with the hopes of out performing the market.
Cumulative return - 70%
YTD return - 22%
s&p500 since May, 2020 - 55%
s&p500 YTD - 23%
1/ I have outperformed the s&p500 since inception by 1500bps and YTD I am lagging by just 100bps.
Usually I benchmark against $VDHG which is a globally diversified ETF in Aus. However the S&P500 has performed better and I thought it would be a better comparison for fintwit..
2/ My current portfolio:
$KPG, $BABA, $TECHY, $PROSY, $AFL, $OTW, $TWTR