This is a great thread. Not because I agree with everything in it. I don’t actually. It’s great because it gives more context on how to think about various important career decisions. It’s important to develop a perspective on how you think about your career moves.
It’s worth acknowledging that Corey is a white guy. So all of his advice should be viewed through that lens. There are certain kinds of career challenges that he just doesn’t have. And it affects how he makes decisions. I believe he’s more self-aware than most about that reality.
In most cases, I agree with the core point, but I would add more nuance.
For example, are you making your manager’s life more difficult by quitting? Yes.
Should they hold that against you personally? No.
Will the company be okay? Almost certainly yes.
The real question is “will 35% more money make up for the downsides of any new bullshit?”
It might. It depends on how much that money means to you and your life. And how you weigh that against other things you care about. Money can make up for a lot. But not everything.
There is no amount of salary that would make me do a 2 hour commute every day. It’s not worth it to me in any shape or form. I’ve said no to hundreds of thousands of dollars in compensation over the last several years based on that rule alone. I don’t regret it.
However. When I was earlier in my career, a long commute didn’t bother me much. The money meant more. And that was the right decision for me at that time. This is what I mean by understanding what’s important to you.
This is the last thing I’ll respond to in this thread for now.
I understand a lot of the reasons why the current environment makes job searching seem more attractive. So a lot of the advice you’ll get sounds like “of course you should leave”. But it’s really okay to stay y’all.
The reasons to stay are just as personal and just as valid as the reasons you might decide to leave. New companies throw money at you because they know that tends to short circuit your brain and take over other considerations.
If I was giving concrete advice, I’d say this. If you’ve got an offer with more money, start spending that money in your head. What would you do with it? How will it makes your life better or propel you towards your goals. Now weigh that against “new bullshit”.
New Bullshit deserves its own thread. But it’s real. There is a very tangible cost to switching jobs. It’s not free. So you want to make sure that whatever you’re getting (money, opportunity, etc) is really going to pay for that cost.
New Bullshit lasts 6 months to a year. After that it becomes the same old bullshit. But for that first year, New Bullshit is like nails on a chalkboard. It will really have you regretting your decisions if you didn’t make them for the right reasons.
As a final thought. If you’re switching jobs every 2 years, you are dealing with New Bullshit almost 50% of the time. That’s a lot y’all. Be careful about inadvertently making that your life. The toll it takes on you is hard to quantify.
Oh, one last thing that a lot of people don’t realize. If you’re dealing with deep burnout? New Bullshit lasts indefinitely. That’s what I learned the hard way. You never leave that feeling of nails on a chalkboard. Switching jobs may not help. You have to get a handle on it.
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Sure. But in order to do that, I should unpack New Bullshit just a little. I sometimes speak in memes because I wanna be one of the cool kids. But the context matters here.
When I refer to New Bullshit at new jobs, it's mostly about adapting to change. Humans are highly adaptable. But we go through periods of stress and frustration whenever we have to change. Switching jobs brings a huge amount of change that it takes time to adjust to.
There is a lot of uncertainty that comes with the change. It's one thing to know a change is coming and try to find ways to prepare for it. But when you go into a new job, you can't really be prepared for a lot of the changes. You don't know until you're in it.
People find this thread again about once a month. It brings a new wave of Black people saying "yep" and white people getting mad and calling me "the real racist".
That's not surprising. What I always find amusing is the white people who show up loud and angry, but also want to paint me as the "close-minded" one. Thousands of Black people talking about our experience is "insanity". Because Whiteness is rightness.
Also, every single time white people find this thread and get mad, not one person actually asks me what "real talk" means. Even though I did the courtesy of putting it in quotes to signal that we're probably talking about something more than just the literal words.
So many people fancy themselves some kind of "giant slayer" on here. Treating people with "big megaphones" like targets that need to be taken down a notch whenever they say something you disagree with. People need to get a handle on what this environment is doing to them.
I've gone through a lot of different phases in my relationship with twitter. There have been several occasions where I had to step back from the edge because I was doing way too much. This place turns good people into assholes without them even understanding what they've become.
When people get put on blast, they almost always accuse me of being "obsessed". They wanna do their dirt in replies where they think only a few people will see. When you shine a light, all of a sudden you're being mean to them.
I don't talk about my daughter very often on here. Because y'all don't know how to act. But I wanna talk about parenting for a minute.
In the last 6 years or so, I have learned a lot about what makes parenting difficult. And obviously I've become biased when it comes to the way people talk about it and the judgments people make about parents.
This is an important aspect of the "worker shortage" conversation. People are trying to figure out why. And the emphasis is mostly on "wages are too low". Housing and locality is just as big a factor. This has been a growing problem, but the pandemic exploded it.
One of the underlying problems is how we reconcile "people with too much money". I'm biased here. Because I have become one of those people they're talking about. But this isn't the right conversation to be having. I don't feel bad that I can afford the too high cost of living.
If you don't have money, and then tomorrow you did, you should probably go buy a house and secure safety and comfort yourself too. And you shouldn't feel bad about that. The question is what should "people with too much money" be doing to change the situation in general.