I had a chance to catch up with René Lacerte, CEO of $27B+ @billcom this week
Bill has managed to build a $27B business selling to 120k SMBs
With an epic 125% NRR
My 10 learnings and our convo here: 🔽🔽🔽
#1. You can’t rush a network
Bill.com had to develop a network that today has millions on vendors processing bills and payments on it. But they couldn’t rush it. So they let folks use the platform the way they wanted, from paper checks to fax and more.
#2. You can’t always rush a fintech product.
It took a decade to come together. Rene cautioned folks to understand the regulatory & fraud elements of doing payments are significant. But it paid off.
Since IPO, payments have grown to a stunning 50% of Bill’s revenues
#3. Channels matter in SMBs, too. But each one is different
Bill has direct sales force, even at $2k ACV. And self-service component. And 2 big channels — accountants + banks. Banks are a longer-term play, and accountant channel is high volume, SMB play.
#4. There are 6m SMBs that buy SaaS software.
Rene really simplified this. There are 6m customers out there just in SMB. Go find them. Even at 120,000 customers today, Bill is just getting going
#5. Virtual credit cards have radically changed spend management.
Bill bought Divvy for $2B+, but the whole category of next-gen spend management software for SMBs wasn’t really practical before the relatively recent development of true virtual credit cards
#6. It took until “Series I” for Bill to IPO.
Bill's a huge success story, but not an overnight one. 15 years to get there, with the vast amount of market cap and value growth happened around Year 13.
#7. Loving an unloved niche is a superpower.
Rene loves accounting and accounting software. It’s in his blood. And he notes few others really do. That's a quiet moat.
#8. NRR up to 124% — from SMBs. This truly is stunning from SMBs.
The keys both are adding more payments and services (like international transfer and payments), but also more seats. Even in SMBs, they can get more folks at a small business approving and paying on Bill.
#9. A good acquisition expands the TAM.
Rene sees the $2b+ acquisition of Divvy truly expanding their TAM. Once you trust a vendor for one core product, you’ll likely buy more from them.
A second core product can really have you scale past $100m-$200m ARR
#10. Word-of-mouth scales forever.
Like HubSpot and more, Bill still gets a large percent of its new customers from word-of-mouth. That’s the magic in SMB SaaS. Over-invest in it.
When you start to hire your first sales reps, you'll hire some >good< people that still just fail and don't work out
That's on you to spot -- before you hire them:
Here are 9 reasons good salespeople fail: 🔽🔽🔽
#1. You hire sales reps that need lots of training, systems, and process in the early days
Big Companies, at least some of them, are generally very good at this. Larger, fast-growing start-ups often become excellent at it. Small start-ups are almost always terrible at it
#2. You hire a rep that hasn't sold at your price point before
Sales reps that are great at $20k deals join a start-up with tons of leads but at a $2k price point and fail again and again.
Freshworks has just filed to IPO at $400,000,000 in ARR, growing an incredible 49% (!)
It's one of the first of a wave of India-U.S. global hybrid SaaS companies to IPO
5 Interesting Learnings: ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️
#1. A steady march above $5k in ACV
25% pay >$5k a year, but they represent 84% of ARR. That has gone up from 78% in 2019. Even with SMBs, it's bigger ones that are driving growth at scale
Going a smidge upmarket is key to Freshworks’ putting up the big numbers
#2. NRR of 118%.
This is pretty impressive for a mid-to-high ACV SMB sale, although pretty consistent with where Zendesk is today as well at 120%.
Coupa is a $16B SaaS success story anyone selling mid-market and enterprise should know more about
They dominated their Web 1.0 predecessor (SAP Ariba) and grew the TAM of their space, Spend Management, 20x
5 Interesting Learnings: ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️
#1. Network effects are real in many spaces in SaaS, like Spend Management
Coupa now manages $2.5T in spend management over 7 million suppliers. Could you switch to another vendor? Yes. Would you want to? No. Imagine how many vendor relationships that would be to switch over
#2. 80% of implementations led by partners, with 5,000 trained partner consultants
The really big deals & even smaller ones are deployed by partners. 80% of deals. The “biggies” are Accenture, KPMG, and Deloitte. But Coupa has implementation partners across all segments
I’ve interviewed 100s of VP of marketing candidates over years and I can tell you one thing — it’s >easy< to spot the ones that won’t work out
And yet, CEOs hire them again and again
Here are my Top 10 Interview Questions to make sure you don't hire the wrong VPM: ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️
1. What are the top 3 things you think we should upgrade in marketing?
This question tells you everything they will actually do
If demand gen isn’t in top 2 things to upgrade= — you don’t have a demand-gen focused VPM
2. What “commit” did you hold in your last roles? How much of it did you meet?
Great catch-all to see if have someone that can do demand gen. If they didn’t hold a real commit — in Opportunities, in Pipeline, Leads — they didn’t own anything that matters in revenue cycle