It’s very important that those who support medical transition for children understand precisely what this will inevitably involve. The child being discussed here was 10 years old. There was no discussion about impact on fertility.
Why not? Because a 10 year old child has no conception of life as a sexually functioning adult. They are unable to consent to giving away their fertility and their sexual function.
Webberley argues that you don’t need to bother with that because all we are talking about are puberty blockers which are completely harmless and reversible! Ignore for the moment that no one has any idea the impact on a 10 year old who takes PB for next 4 years as advised here.
And consider WHY PB are prescribed in the first place. To prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics which may inhibit the child later ‘passing’ as the stereotype s/he is encouraged to aspire to be. The next stage is almost inevitably cross sex hormones.
Not even Webberley can argue that these are ‘irreversible’ but she does seem to argue it is perfectly natural to give a 12 year old girl artificial testosterone, at levels which her own body could never naturally produce.
The High Court in Bell v Tavistock were particularly struck by the 10 year old patient and a witness statement from a teenager who professed to have given no thought to their adult sexual function - ‘not on my radar’.
The reality is that the end game for those who support medical transition is for children to be routinely prescribed PB at a very young age. This is to ensure they are kept in perpetual childhood to make it easier to fashion a simulacrum of either male or female sex later on.
The emphasis is as ‘passing’ as either GI Joe or a Barbie doll. There is no consideration of the impact of all this on their minds, their emotions or what happens if they later regret.
This is what support for medical transition of children means. If you don’t think this is a good idea then please do speak up.
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Phew! I was a bit worried that Helen Webberley was only being advised on endocrinology by Susie Green, but it’s ok - she took advice from her husband also.
Not really the specialism at the cutting edge of dosing 10 year olds with puberty blockers followed by cross sex hormones.
She claims that his experience treating hypogonadism is relevant. Well yes, it involves testosterone. For a male body. Doesn’t seem to be relevant at all for a 12 year old girl.
If you were accused of abusing a child, I bet you would want a chance to defend yourself and submit evidence to show the allegation was false. If you were a liar, trying to hide your abuse then it’s just as vital the allegations are tested so the right decisions are made.
The problems with the family courts are NOT that they delight in ‘giving children to abusers’. A significant problem is simply the lack of judges to ensure that finding of fact hearings happen quickly. Waiting months and months IS traumatic I accept.
I have no asked this question four times and received no answer. Look - if your answer is 'because a male's need for validation is considered more important than a woman's right to safety and dignity' then just say so! I won't agree with you, but at least I know your position.
I am struggling to think what other possible answer there can be. We all presumably agree that people have a right to express their identity within the confines of existing civil and criminal law.
We all presumably agree that when different 'identities' compete in the same space and for the same resources, there is potential for tension and a need for monitoring, to ensure that one 'identity' doesn't overwhelm the other.
There is much that was horrifying and absurd in the evidence of Dr Webberley. For me, the worst was this. No wonder she concludes gender dysphoria is commonplace - she trained herself to diagnose it for profit.
Nothing else explains sudden surge in referrals - andthat the patient cohort suddenly switched from boys to girls - but social contagion. What makes this different from the ‘Satanic Panic’, where some professionals similarly lost their minds, is it’s presentation as civil rights.
Another difference is that in the Satanic Panic is was the adults who suffered false imprisonment and the destruction of their careers. Here, we see children face the destruction of their once healthy bodies and they will carry this with them all of their lives.
There was significant confusion - for me at least - about what the 'parental loophole' case established. I think there was an argument it was only meant to apply for children already referred to treatment, thus to protect prescribing GPs who weren't under contract with the Tavi.
I am very glad that there has been a 'pause' in referrals and hope this time has been used wisely to actually consider the best way forward on the best evidence. I am sorry for that (very, very) small percentage of children for whom medical transition is required.
But on utilitarian principles, I am relieved that there is respite for the (much, much greater numbers) of children who are seeking medical transition to alleviate some other form of mental distress or are getting swept up in social contagion.
So why do we bother having doctors, lawyers, plumbers or electricians etc? Experts are of course not infallible. Knowledge shifts and improves. But to suggest a 12 year old girl is capable of ‘informing’ a doctor about the impact of testosterone on her body is insane.
What we are seeing here is prime example of ex post facto rationalisation - I.e simply interpreting everything that happened as support for what you want to do. We all do it.
But experts are supposed to do it less often. skepticink.com/tippling/2013/…
Expertise and professional training is supposed to act as protection against the uncritical adoption of a moral position which then distorts facts to support it. An electrician who thinks electricity is governed by his own moral universe will soon be dead, for example.