Thread by @WindReign

Ladies and gentlemen, we cannot have a fruitful discussion on sex and marriage without acknowledging the truth about female sexuality.
It feels like in all these twitter spaces this is the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about.

In a space i was just listening to, somebody brought up the vast difference between christian men(virgin) and women (not virgin) who are between 25-30 and if that's fine or not.
The answer he got back boiled down to "get over it, it is what it is."

The topic was then promptly glossed over before anyone could ask "why is it like this anyways?"
We are usually told to believe that women want to marry and have kids while men just want sex and nothing else so why are the Christian men usually the virgins and the women not?

In addition to that why is it that the overwhelmingly repeated and stated advice on these spaces is that men need to take more responsibility and "stop wasting womens time and just commit!" (Usually stated by a woman first but is then parrots by the men)

Who the hell are these players that are not committing? It can't be our tradcath online virgins, so who is left?
We will touch back on this in a moment but before that I want to touch on another sentiment that is expressed often and which will help us solve this "puzzle".

Young people today are having a lot less sex than they used. The most popular theories are among others, low testosterone and porn. So far so good, but let us take a second to parse these so called "young people" are we talking about both young men AND young women?

The answer to that is no. The main drivers of the decline in sex are young men, women are having about the same amount of sex as they have for the last 30 years.
This means that there are some men who are having more sex than ever while some are having none at all.

Brifaults law states " the female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place". This means in matters of sex, women are the choosers and men the chosen.

So who the hell do women choose if its not our tradcath virgin friends who want to be married and have loving families and children?
These men are geared to be long term providers to these women, they offer protection, resources and love. Who else could women choose?

There has been a study on okcupid a couple years back where women and men rated each others attractiveness. The men rates the women across a normal distribution but the women on the other hand rated 80% of men as , BELOW AVERAGE, not average, BELOW.

So if it were up to women, they would not want anything to do with 80% of men as they just find them completely undesirable. They can ofc "learn to love them" out of necessity which is something we will come back to later but ideally they don't want them at all.

Needless to say these men are inundated with sexual opportunities from ALL women (including the tradcath types) who throw themselves at the men. Now do all these women want or even expect commitment for sleeping with these men? The answer is Ofc not. Its entirely validational.

This is the missing ingredient in all of these discussion on the twitter spaces. Women don't want to JUST marry and have kids, perhaps even more than that they want to have sex with hot dudes who give them tingles.

In their early to mid twenties when women are the height of their beauty and fertility(the only things men went from women) they have sex with these hot dudes sometimes in the hopes of getting commitment but most of the time just as a validational boost.

As the clock starts ticking however they start looking for men who seem like good long term providers. These are not hot or exciting men, but they are stable and have otherwise no prospects. Here is the point where women switch from "i want to marry HIM" to "i want to marry."

Needless to say there is a huge difference between those two things and men instinctively know it. This is the reason church seems so unattractive to men these days, the deal they are offering is not one any self respecting man would take.

But its not just the church thats offering shit deals, its society at large which are at war with mens natural instincts to not commit to a woman who has numbers comparable to a prostitute in past ages. Telling men to "take responsibility and man up!"Isn't going to cut it anymore

And even if god forbid, a man decides to "take responsibility" can he expect to have authority (absolute btw) over his wife and his children? No. They are "equal" you see, he will not have an iota of authority to make the bitter pill of his whore wife go down easier.

If he ever gets it into his head that he has any authority, probably due to 1 too many "wives GIVE your men authority"(lol) sermons, the following morning his wife willgo out of the door with his kids and he will be expected to provide for her and there is 0 he can do about it.

Tldr: women have a pluralistic mating strategy, alpha fucks beta bux. They want high quality genes from hot dudes and long term provisioning from betas. Their early twenties is spent trying to get the former while they settle for the latter in their late 20s to early 30s.

Unless womens sexuality is restrained there is no incentive whatsoever for men to "commit" and "take responsibility" for these women. In fact there are only detrimental effects for these men who have to mind-kill themselves to suppress their natural instincts.

Finally i want to conclude this thread by saying this is a societal problem and no single man can change it or effect it by marrying ex hoe turned christian #33, in matter of fact that just reinforces the problem ,cause it proves to women they can have it all.