Thread by @MForstater

At 38 minutes - Robin Moira White "the go to lawyer for trans cases". Some good questions from @Emmabarnett. She has done her homework
bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0…

Robin gives advice on toilets - both in workplaces and in education. We don't have segregated workplaces any more. there used to be race segregation in NASA. There used to sex segregation.

(dodges the question of why we still have sex segregation in toilets)

Says an example of proportionate means to a legitimate aim of trans exclusion would be "breast screening", a higher degree of nakedness. It may be legitimate to say to a trans user that they need to come at a different time. That is the extreme of the position. [No case law here]

This is a silly example. You sit in the waiting room with your clothes on. A woman who identifies as a trans man and has breasts looks to everyone else like a butch woman. Butch women are welcome

Why not deal w the actual examples women are concerned about like males in refuges

On children legally transitioning and having surgery

"Rights in workplaces and education are different from medical decisions.

Equality Act 2010 has allowed for "self ID" since 2010. It also applies to education"

Emma asks about Baroness Faulkner "“Someone can believe that people who self identify as a different sex are not the different sex that they self identify. A lot of people would find this an entirely reasonable belief.”

Do you disagree?

Robin: if someone has a particular belief how are they going to exhibit it?

What workplaces should be is safe for people to be who they are, believe what they believe but not impose it on other people.

It depends what forms the challenge takes - is it a political discussion or is it a work situation.

Emma:Does calling a transwoman a biological male constitute hate speech?

It can do. Is saying only women have a cervix a comment about biology or is it saying TW are not W?

If it is on someone's social media that is one thing, but if it is threatening to someone at work it is another.

Talks about the Forstater case.

Robin "It did not change things - refers to Higgs v Farmer
They Q is do they impose their beliefs on others ?

Its good that Women's Hour had Robin on talking about the law, and is asking better questions. They could now have Naomi Cunningham of @legalfeminist and @SexMattersOrg on talking about the same issues (or even me talking about my case)

A male lawyer who wants access to female only spaces and says that women who object should lose their jobs is not the last word on this.