Question to the floor:
Should we be in this situation in with PDA in UK (i.e. a bubble on the notion PDA is an ASD), some descriptions from 2 articles:
at present a culture-bound concept UK.
Interest substantially outpacing PDA research.
Genuinely interested?
My own views on this is a definitive no, fact such descriptions of the present situation is present indicates something has gone wrong. There are few reasons for this.
First point is one should ethically be presenting balanced & accurate information on PDA, also not making claims beyond its evidence base. One should not be conducting research to favour a particular viewpoint, such as favouring notion "PDA as an ASD".
Generally it appears, pro "PDA as an ASD" literature appears to be contradicting these things.
There is also issue of threshold for a person's demand-avoidance to become "pathological" is quite low, if one goes from the DSM-5.
"the disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.“ (APA 2013 p21).

So when person's demand-avoidance meets above threshold, it becomes "pathological".
Also PDA as a construct is highly controversial & contested, so one should naturally be extra careful with how they are approaching it. Especially with ongoing efforts to raise autism research & practice from its systemic poor standards.
Some divergent outlooks include PDA can be viewed as a form of attachment disorder, or Personality Disorder. Considering low threshold for "pathological" demand-avoidance it is possible these outlooks are also valid.
Issue is that PDA in these viewpoints await direct empirical testing, as in for PDA to be conceptualised as an attachment disorder & its validity tested.
This goes back to how research should not be design to favour anyone outlook over another. Just conducting research into "PDA as an ASD" is not scientifically proving that PDA is a form of autism.
Such an approach to scientifically prove a perspective (conducting research to prove something) is a criticism of much ABA research. In order to substantiate PDA is an ASD, divergent outlooks would need to tested & falsified.
I.e., PDA's divergent outlooks would need to be systematically investigated, tested & shown to have little to no validity.
Also with reputable independent parties not favouring one outlook over another on PDA, and taking neutral positions; it does casts doubts as to why some are so ardent in their position that "PDA is an ASD".
The other issues is that Disorders & features relating to them seem to present in a heterogeneous spectrum across human population, often with blurred/ porous boundaries; proposed stark division between "rational"/ "extreme" is likely arbitrary.
The point here is that divergent opinion on PDA that it presents at lower diagnostic thresholds, & in different guises to "PDA as an ASD" are also likely to be valid.
Considering above above points. It strongly suggests that typical standards around research & practice are not being followed, as the notion "PDA as an ASD" has formed a bubble in the UK.
I do wonder if pro "PDA as an ASD" reflect upon:
If they are ‘on the lookout’ for PDA?
If is it "short sighted in the extreme" to view PDA as an ASD?
If they themselves are biased, & perhaps others also possess "honest and unbiased" picture PDA?
These questions are probably applicable to anyone engaging with PDA.

There quoted text are from two pro "PDA as an ASD" literature.
Also important to note the lack of good quality evidence on PDA is also pertinent. I do think it is an important questions we should be asking.

Should "PDA as an ASD" be a "bubble" (a culture-bound concept) in the UK?

And why?
*If they themselves are ‘on the lookout’ for PDA?
Is it "short sighted in the extreme" to view PDA as an ASD?
If they themselves are biased on PDA?
Do other's potentially possess "honest and unbiased picture of the features of PDA"?*
Corrected the above questions which I think it is worth asking persons to reflect upon if they are engaging with PDA, in addition to:

Should "PDA as an ASD" be a "bubble" (a culture-bound concept) in the UK?

And why?
This is me encouraging others to "engage reflexively with how their values shape their understanding and construction of autistic people", adapting it for PDA.

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4 Oct
I am still playing around with this (mainly working out how to shade individual sides of the cube), I think I have a new 3D image for PDA. Although, it might be best doing a "radar" type chart.
I have split the frequency & intensity of demand-avoidance axes from these charts in two.
Frequency of demand-avoidance features displayed continuum represents how often demand-avoidance features tend to expressed over a given time period, such as a week. It really is arbitrary which time period a person uses.
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3 Oct
Crikey, does anyone else get moments of inspiration when they are doing nothing serious, i.e., "trivial" activities (e.g., for me, making cups of tea, going to the shops, in the bathroom etc)?
Subtext to this, I just had a potentially important one. Yesterday's one about @PDASociety acting like a disreputable information source on PDA by claiming research has not disclosed conflicts of interest as "more authoritative".
For the record, I do not view the PDA Society, or the clinic which did that research as particularly reputable information sources on PDA. Presently viewing them akin to reputability of "pro" ABA/ PBS supporters on ABA/ PBS.
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2 Oct
Thought experiment to the floor.
Suppose I designed & conducted a PDA research.
I created PDA definitions based on my experience.
Ignore how PDA can be diagnosed at lower diagnosed thresholds.
Ignore how PDA can be diagnosed in non-autistic persons.
...
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Ignore DSM-5 threshold for when something becomes "pathological", i.e., threshold for PDA.
Ignore accepted understandings anxiety is not a feature autism.
Used ADOS which is not design to assess for PDA features.
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Only diagnosed PDA in persons I thought were autistic.
Only diagnosed PDA in a dual ASD + PDA traits diagnosis.
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1 Oct
I know I am late to party on this paper @DrMBotha. Currently, & reflecting upon it. Already seeing parallels with it, and my own experiences & observations of engaging with PDA literature & agenda to make "PDA an ASD".
frontiersin.org/articles/10.33…
There are parallel processes operating in similar/ same manner to what Monique describes in the paper. First off, there is lack of consideration of it divergent opinions on PDA are welcome or actively embraced.
I know from past experience, of myself & other dissenting voices we tend to be ignored, by "PDA as an ASD" leading experts, while attacked, or excuses made to not take our points credibly.
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1 Oct
I naturally spend time reflecting upon things. I naturally try to evolve & learn from situations. This is very much a central aspect of who I am.
Over the last several weeks, I spent more time reflecting than I naturally do; this is a resource intensive act, in time & spoons. It also means being horrifically open to being mistaken, so open that you can shake & mould your own sense of identity.
This process is also highly organic, it is not something that is done as part of a "routine".
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27 Sep
Something that has been bothering over the last two days. Is how some "PDA as an ASD" supporters seem to be confusing anxiety based RRBI's with autism's social communication issues.
Routed to DSM-5 autism criteria, Category A, social communication issues.
A—Deficits in social communication and interaction
A1—Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity
A2—Deficits in nonverbal communication
A3—Deficits in relationships
(Evers et al 2021).
Screenshot of actual DSM-5 category A autism traits, from here (for ease of convenience):
autismspeaks.org/autism-diagnos…
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