@Evsthetractor@JohnG_UK@BioMickWatson@a_cois@fleroy1974@_HannahRitchie Poore is a JOKE. He's a vegan, so ideologically biased as are you & only have to look at his consideration of water to make anyone with a brain cringe. UK produces more than entire So Cal capability alternatives in a ARID state whereas Wales eg more rain in a month than a yr
@Evsthetractor@JohnG_UK@BioMickWatson@a_cois@fleroy1974@_HannahRitchie there in terms of milk, and its real so more nutritious and multitude co produce like leather. So eg pr synth shoes lasts 6 months =35kg emissions, leather shoes last 20yrs min, 100kg inc lifetime repairs. So 20 yrs the vegan produces 1.3 tonnes MORE emissions. Now
@Evsthetractor@JohnG_UK@BioMickWatson@a_cois@fleroy1974@_HannahRitchie multiply by billions. And that synth crap feeds NOBODY & becomes mammoth landfill problem. Here's my leather coat 75 yrs old still going strong, dairy leather. And I have riding boots like this 100 yrs old still good. Then there's the palm or rapeseed oil req for fake milk: where
@Evsthetractor@JohnG_UK@BioMickWatson@a_cois@fleroy1974@_HannahRitchie is the accounting in Poore's CRAP of all this? Synth too is produce of petro chemicals or rubber no such thing as vegan leather it's a con just to add some plant element.
So even if you have rubber rather than petro chemicals, it's still chemical processes and huge ecological
So then there's his land use figures. Firstly, Poore's data CLAIMS to be BIG DATA. But, it was actually what 38k farms,
@Evsthetractor@JohnG_UK@BioMickWatson@a_cois@fleroy1974@_HannahRitchie selected from internet scrape by the sound of it so likely involving studies where emissions are high to prove a point, so not an unbiased sampling strategy, and representing 0.006% of farms globally. A similar figure to the percentage of terrorists from the Muslim population,
@Evsthetractor@JohnG_UK@BioMickWatson@a_cois@fleroy1974@_HannahRitchie which of course are rightly NOT representative. Then there is the nature of the land use. So livestock are extensive by nature often because of marginal land grazing, UNSUITABLE for crops but SHARED with strong biodiversity; or pasture based supportive of decent diversity next to
Indeed 90% of their cattle are pasture fed, and only 'used' to level and fertilize land before crop plantations so again fraudulently accounted when you actually LOOK at it. See this is the problem with big numerical data is it is devoid of ACTUAL
@Evsthetractor@JohnG_UK@BioMickWatson@a_cois@fleroy1974@_HannahRitchie observation so as a way of looking at agriculture or indeed any complex system, it is laughable tbh. This is why you need QUALITATIVE data & observation of specific environmental suitability of individual systems & their co produce, contribution to wider culture & economy etc
@Evsthetractor@JohnG_UK@BioMickWatson@a_cois@fleroy1974@_HannahRitchie Academia is making horse ass of itself tbh & common person can see right through bullshit of big data. Frankly Neuroscientist's opinion on agriculture, or for that matter zoologist (Poore) with record working for 'pre-emptive' activist Corporate
Then re Steve's point re soil and yours about fertilizer. Again, BIll Gates and fellow WEF conspirators YARA acting in a way that makes Colmbian drugs cartel look like a school dinner money racket. It is
YARA of course part Norwegian government involved acting
@Evsthetractor@JohnG_UK@BioMickWatson@a_cois@fleroy1974@_HannahRitchie@GHGGuru like a mafia when their economy is over 60% based on FOSSIL FUEL revenues. Involvement of disgraced Erik Solheim at the UN laughable if they weren't getting away with it and again the cartel extends to WEF 'Young Global Leader' & fellow Norwegian
The truth is on soil, grazing livestock and manure are GOOD for biodiversity and you cannot tale 'science' & NGOs & media funded by this cartel
@Evsthetractor@JohnG_UK@BioMickWatson@a_cois@fleroy1974@_HannahRitchie@GHGGuru which again ignores the patently obvious, seriously. People like Wellcome with their tentacles in to deep state & conflict of interest businesses should actually be investigated as a threat to national security tbh esp with Farrar & Gates re CEPI & the
Course it is. What is more, people don't realise to take these jobs means moving away from home, for CASUAL labour, to areas expensive to take accommodation or if provided very Spartan. It's always been a job for students & migrant youngsters, Roma community etc traditionally &
there used to be other perks on offer eg Irish kids could ride work for racehorse trainers, Roma had family selling goods & services, horses etc; students had shared accom or immigrants partners engaged in permanent jobs in rural communities. These things don't gel any more as
industrial monocrop farms are not as engaged in traditional rural communities as such. So Helga isn't the barmaid with shared flat with her ag labourer bf, Nobody wants the Roma saddle repairer or weather vane maker, and the student buses aren't laid on from the colleges. So
Again easily observed. Ruminants disturb cover for small fauna, so eg you get stoats & weasels, birds prey, curlew where grazing animals. Also prevent choking of land dense scrub which can impact amphibians in dunes, choke with bracken (also fire risk), & soil poverty
Question is
HOW, when farmers etc who have been saying such for the last few years, get IGNORED on favour of a frankly beserk plan to oust livestock in favour of trees, for WEF idea of carbon offsetting for the damage they cause ie a land grab paying academics to spout shite?
And of course journalists who don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to eco systems and agriculture etc, and have been engaged in corrupt fairy tale science ?
@GusPark11@tomhfh You aren't arguing with anti vaxxers: lazy strawman label. You're engaged with those who don't approve mandatory vax, authoritarian shit that wrecked millions livelihoods, & those questioning efficacy THIS vaccine. Now this should NOT be happening: read
@GusPark11@tomhfh that whole thread. Scientific claims need to be tested by observation & repeatable to be valid, and clearly something is VERY wrong. I have an idea it's likely to be (given Poland & London hit badly last yr Israel rest UK not so much) a level of herd immunity as kicked in. And
@GusPark11@tomhfh that seems to be true most places that not seeing big spikes atm, rather than vaccine take up. Now, sure, % in a 'pandemic' matter. BUT, what also matters is collateral damage of draconian policy,& for what? So, here are % risks. Average age death is 80 with co morbities. Now
@bleuciel1967@LisaMarieBoothe There is no consensus this is a myth.
Furthermore, it is dissenters that create new scientific discoveries, not those going with consensus anyway.
Plus, science can be 1. Influenced by ideology & money CEPI , Imperial eg funded by Gates & Wellcome obvious cui bono benefits from
@bleuciel1967@LisaMarieBoothe lockdowns & vaccines. Eg Wellcome conflicts interest; & they also engaged last 6 yrs in funding utter pseudoscience re 'food systems' to demonize livestock (eg widely criticized EATLancet) & divert attention own fossil fuel & corp/arable food interests
@bleuciel1967@LisaMarieBoothe Then there's Gates, Similarly. This just scratches the surface of his web of influence & again engaged in blatant pseudoscience fraudulent accounting re meat
@MoiraDonegan@LinesOfForce Predictable from outset. Looked geared to destroying traditional economy because it WAS - nobody asked cui bono when it was evident to see Amazon, CCP businesses (eg Ali Babba JD) ALL invested in by Wellcome btw whose Farrar key in Gates funded CEPI & lockdown narrative. Women
@MoiraDonegan@LinesOfForce are key in retail work, tourism, hospitality, small business esp salons etc, and the lockdowns destroyed them, leaving many (low income work much of it but gratifying eg fashion/social related), trapped on 14th floor with 3 screaming kids, challenged by Police even if they went
@MoiraDonegan@LinesOfForce to parks. Middle classes cheered lockdowns on, because clueless being cossetted themselves by working from home, furlough, or allowed to continue eg journalists. Working class women were betrayed by liberal politics; their dreams smashed.