The reaction to the recent CDC MMWR on immunity after covid infection being 5X less protective than vaccination shows off everything that has been wrong about science communication through this pandemic. cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/7…
“Told ya so” -
Seriously?
Public Health voices got their Gotchas in for anyone in anti-vax, anti-mandate, or just anti-establishment camps who ever dared to argue that we should consider immunity from prior infection on par with vaccination in terms of protection from disease.
But what DID the study show?
A: Not much.
Anyone claiming this study shows that unvaccinated people with prior infection are 5X more likely to be hospitalized than fully vaccinated people, probably either did not read the study, or did not understand it.
And should not be tweeting about it.
Put briefly, to do a study like this, you’d want a lg watershed of people for whom you have solid data on infection/vaccination history w/in a time frame (our denominators), and then complete data on that same watershed on who got sick later w/ covid (our numerators).
Like this:
That was our earlier Israeli pre-print: medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
It checked all the boxes: large HMO, reliable records, sound study design.
It found prior infection far more protective vs symptomatic infection (7X) and also more protective vs hospitalization.
So what gives?
What did this CDC MMWR measure?
Numerator was covid hospitalizations;
Denominator was… people w/ vaccination w/in 6 mo vs people w/ prior infection who were hospitalized for respiratory infections. Not the whole watershed. Just those inpatients. 90+% of whom DID NOT HAVE COVID.
Hmmm. If about 50-60% of ppl are fully vaccinated in those areas; and maybe 15-20% of ppl are unvaxed but had prior infection; you might conclude: ppl w/ prior infection got really sick less than vaccinated ppl. And had less severe covid, too.
But you would just be guessing.
One thing that is conclusive, though, is that the study’s headline is not true.
You cannot possibly infer that vaccinations out-protected prior infection from this study.
Amazingly these limitations did not make it into the authors’ *discussion* of study limitations. 🤔
And apparently didn’t make into the heads of those who proclaimed these results as if they were decisive.
We wonder why the vax-hesitant don’t trust public health voices?
We’ve got to start by being honest.
I’m still quite happy my first covid exposure will come after a vaccine.
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This Lancet study from the UK has fueled a lot of “gotchas,” only some of which are appropriate. It’s interesting, though: thelancet.com/journals/lanin…
The take-away: vaccinated ppl with “breakthrough” infections were as likely to spread to household members as unvaccinated ppl.
Take w/ a grain of salt, as even a smart, prospective study like this cannot avoid major confounders, esp when this small (163 cases, 232 household contacts). The index cases captured in this study might not represent average folks.
Still - this is as good as we’ve got.
I feel like some public health voices looked at the data from Singapore and N Illinois with rose-colored glasses and decided infected vaccinated ppl have lesser viral loads or less viable virus to spread; that’s not how I saw the same data.
ITRW, this study suggests the contrary.
I appreciated the kind words of Prof Morris:
And, more reluctantly, the observation of one of his numerically-literate followers that I’d mis-characterized a CDC study on odds of getting myocarditis from Covid-19.
The “you’re 16X more likely to get myocarditis from covid” study.
I have seen that figure referenced twice in the last 24 hr, despite the study being 2 mo old.
It’s relevant now, in that lots of people are trying to assess the risk of myocarditis in kids if they choose/are mandated to have the vaccine vs if they do not.
My mistake?
I missed that this “hospital-based” study included hospital-based OUTPATIENT clinics where people were diagnosed with covid: cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/7…
I had assumed that the denominator was all hospitalized patients, when really it was an unstated mix of inpatients and outpatients.
#ivermectin for covid has been in heavy-play mode in the media again.
Why?
A new trial report, and 3 meta-analyses.
As usual, half the world thinks these are proof of the #ivermectincure and half thinks it's bogus.
Why can't we all get along?
@DrAndrewHill released his team's meta-analysis right on the heels of 2 other meta-analyses, one positive & one negative. Dr Hill, who has been a bit of an ivermectin cheerleader, had a positive conclusion: academic.oup.com/ofid/advance-a…
A huge concern w/ any meta-analysis is "Garbage In, Garbage Out" - and we've plenty of garbage in the IM world.
Whether a study rates inclusion and how it gets weighted in a meta-analysis can swing the conclusion.
These meta-analyses don't move the needle.
Another look at long covid out in a pre-print, from @mlipsitch&co: medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
I'm not surprised, but at last someone had the notion to compare folks post-covid to folks post-viral-infection, non-covid.
The headline is "14% had sequelae" but they buried the lede! 1/6
First, the limitations: 1) totally based, not on survey/exam, but on MD-reported ICD-10 codes; so these are "long," possibly random, symptoms bad enough to see an MD and have them code it. 2) retrospective cohort, so all the usual bias & matching concerns. 3) only age 18-65. 2/6
But it was HUGE (>200K matched cases), which helps;
and fairly well-matched;
and, at last, well-chosen cohorts (2020 no covid, 2019, pre-2020 viral).
WHAT DID THEY FIND???
Post-covid, you had a 14.6% chance of seeing an MD for post-viral problems.
Pre-2020 virus? 13%. 3/6
I am not terribly excited about the "clot" concerns for AZ/Ox in Europe: medscape.com/viewarticle/94…
Both because it's not in the US, and I didn't like their data or how they collected it very much;
and because I am not sure this is a story. 1/3
I mean, if the avg vaccinated pop would have about a 1/6000 risk per mo of a VTE as the background rate;
and 5M ppl got the AZ/Ox in the past mo;
we'd expect >800 VTEs in any circumstance, not 30! 2/3
Maybe the up side of this latest issue w/ the ill-fated AZ/Ox vaccine is for all the Vax-suspicious out there:
living proof that Big Pharma, Big Govt,etc isn't doing a very good job of "covering up" adverse events.
Arguably, they're swinging too far to the other extreme here! 3/3
I missed this disturbing/fascinating bit on leaked docs w/ quality control issues from the Pfizer vaccine: bmj.com/content/372/bm…
A reminder that just because Big Pharma hits a home run, they (& the medical-industrial complex) are not suddenly warm and fuzzy trusted friends. 1/3
I wish I understood mRNA vaccines better, but the bottom line appears to be:
these mRNA particles tucked in those lipid nanoparticle membranes are frail;
they degrade easily;
and you want them to be intact when they hit our cells, so the proper protein complexes are formed. 2/3
Since "commercial grade" seems to be 75-80% intact mRNA, and the "bad" batches were around 55%, that would imply about a third less production of proper spike-like proteins.
Not from zero to something, but from 25% to 45%.
So - I doubt these are forming *dangerous* proteins.