1) Overestimating battery manufacturing
What you see is that producing the electric C40 emits much more CO2 than producing the combustion version.
Part of this is due to the battery (which at 90 kg/kWh is not very sustainably produced) but much is also due to chassis production!
I don't think this is an electric vs combustion comparison. It's just an indication that the electric version is produced is an inferior factory compared to the combustion one.
Better characterization:
OUR electric C40 production is pretty shitty compared to OUR combustion XC40.
2) Underestimating battery lifetime
My studies indicate that cars are driven 250k km in Europe and the US and modern batteries outlast that.
Taking 200k km as the lifetime of the battery and car makes the production seem more problematic.
But the impact is small. Let's move on.
3) Assuming an unchanged electricity mix over the lifetime of the BEV
This one has a bigger impact: whether you take historical trends or pledges at #COP26, no serious expert I know doubts that the electricity mix becomes cleaner over the coming 15-20 years.
For the UK I estimated the average energy mix over the lifetime at *100* g/kWh (see #astongate thread for details).
To get the 70k miles number you have to take a current global mix with a whopping 630 g/kWh and even the EU mix they assume (420 g/kWm) is too high.
So if you buy an electric C40 in the UK the correct number would be to say you will emit (on average and over the lifetime) 19 g/km (31 g/mile).
@volvocars wants you to believe you emit 120 g/km (194 g/mile) or 6 times as much!
4) Using unrealistic tests for energy use @volvocars uses the values from the official EU tests but these are much too low so the use phase is underestimated.
Better to take road tests or EPA values from fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?ac…
Then the XC40 emissions are not 212 g/km but 296 g/km!
So in reality the XC40 emits 84 g/km more than @volvocars admits in their study.
So please ppl: start using realistic EPA numbers!
If you've been paying close attention you might say: but then you have to take EPA numbers for the EV too! And you would be correct.
If we use EPA numbers the EV use increases from 19 g/km to 27 g/km.
So just 8 g/km more for the EV and 84 g/km for the combustion car.
6) Lack of system thinking
A perfectly optimized gasoline XC40 in 2050 might reduce emissions with 30% from 300 to 200 g/km. And that's being optimistic.
An EV produced and driving on low carbon electricity could reduce emissions to close to zero.
That's the endgame!
So to summarize: no idea why this study surfaces again claiming it takes 70k miles for an EV to pay back production. But the claim is wrong, building error on error.
If you correct the LCA in the way I've described it becomes 16k miles. Please journalists: start paying attention.
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I LOVED this piece by @_HannahRitchie that explains how the doomism almost made her choose another career but how she (now a data ninja at @OurWorldInData) sees reason for hope in facts and numbers.
The @FT with a very nice video on what the #COP26 is about and a scary visualization of where the earth will become "too hot to handle" for comfortable human living.
This picture shows Africa in the mean (SSP2-4.5) scenario: many people forced to migrate. ft.com/content/072b5c…
The SSP5-8.5 they use as worst case is highly unlikely (not so much because of policy but because of technical development imho) but do we want to take even a 5% or so chance on billions of people having to migrate?
Anyway, one of the things we will have to face that climate change will hit the global south hardest with tens or hundreds of millions migrating and many millions dying because of heatwaves and famine after failed crops and we (the biggest emitters) are the cause.
STOP TELLING KIDS THEY'LL DIE FROM CLIMATE CHANGE
"Many young people feel like their future is in peril. To make progress on climate change, we must move past doomsday scenarios."
Hannah mentions a recent survey among 16-25 olds in many countries: 55% said humanity was doomed due to climate change and 39% are hesitant to have children as a result.
Let that sink in dear people working on climate change communication! You are causing a massive depression.
Hannah is one of my heroes in this field with her relentless stream of @OurWorldInData articles that provide facts and meaning.
But she nearly walked away from the field herself because she just oscillated between anger and hopelessness! Is that what we want to achieve?
I often disagree with what @nytdavidbrooks writes but this analysis strikes a chord.
I hope many people read it and find something in themselves that seems to be sorely lacking: tolerance and empathy for those not in "your" group. theatlantic.com/magazine/archi…
I direct a group that makes agent-based models to explore better worlds.
The first agent-based model showed that segregation is almost automatic and that you have to fight and design to avoid segregation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schelling…
I think what US society is missing is more programs that actively mix rich and poor, different skin colors, left and right, Ivy league and uneducated.
It's much harder to be condescending or dismissive if you know people personally and they are mostly just like you.
I agree there is a place for hydrogen in mobility.
I just think it's probably a very small place.
I think this piece of @Toyota chief scientist Gill Pratt is heavily skewed toward hydrogen in order to make it seem more important. Let me show you. medium.com/toyotaresearch…
Charging speed is limited by the so called C rate of battery cells.
Simply put: larger vehicles with more cells can stomach bigger chargers.
So big trucks will charge just as fast as small cars.
And of course 90% of charging is done while parked so speed isn't an issue there.
I remember how better place imagined that we would swap batteries to overcome charging time. These days are gone and 60 minutes is simply BS. I think in 2030, new EVs coming out can charge 80% of their range within ten minutes. For something you do occasionally that's a non issue
Not sure this 200 euro/kW will be reached as mentioned and that they will last 10 years but electrolysis is clearly getting pretty cheap in the future (as expected).
(10 cents/kg of H2 = 0.3 cents per kWh)
Imagine a super sunny place with cheap land produce solar at 1 cent per kWh. For 1 kg of H2 you would need around 50 kWh costing 50 cents.
If electrolysis costs only 10 cents extra that together would only be 60 cents.
There's lot's of other costs but that's just ~2 cents/kWh.