People don't get it—football is all a matter of who gets where first.
Liverpool/City taught everyone the secret of success: sustained dominance through clear JDP ideas, top physicality and technique for execution.
Others are now copying.
(the greatest thread you've ever read);
Arsenal now, for instance, can break City and Liverpool's pressing schemes because they have good tactical ideas and enough technical quality to execute. This makes it much tougher for either to beat them than in previous years. The margins are reduced.
Now, it's Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Brighton, West Ham and possibly Wolves, Crystal Palace and Tottenham next.
Both City and Liverpool are the best because of the quality + confidence of winners but that's it. Now Chelsea are up there with them. Arsenal next.
Liverpool are in big trouble, internally and externally. Internally because of a declining core and externally because of the rise teams like West Ham and Arsenal (compact sides who can match them physically, tactically and technically) who reduce their league dominance margins.
Before now, beating
West Ham
Arsenal
Brighton
was a 80% likelihood for both City/ Liverpool. Now, it's dropped to 65-70% for City and 60-70% for Liverpool. This means more upsets than they previously got against those teams.
It's much more worse for Liverpool.
I have mentioned both internal and external reasons but the root is always internal. The external feasts on what the internals allows. And for Liverpool, there is something rotten at the core of their football.
That rotten core is two-fold and we will look at it now.
Sustained dominance is built on a singular palette of demanding tactical ideas. It must refreshed every 3-5 seasons with new blood who are still fresh to those ideas.
Of course, this requires proactively replacing/slowly phasing out high quality players so it's hard/costly.
City can do that. Chelsea can do that. City for instance over the past two seasons have bought Dias, Grealish, Cancelo as well as Foden from the academy (18-25 years: pre-prime or just in it). They bought these players for A LOT OF MONEY.
These are grade 1 instant impact players
Liverpool brought in Jota, Thiago, Konate. Only Thiago was a Grade 1 player. And he was 29-year-old and injury wracked.
Unfortunately for Liverpool, 2/3 of their Grade 1 players are already declining in Firmino, Mane and Van Dijk. Even Robbo, but let's not be too harsh.
Liverpool are not as qualitatively efficient as City at refreshing a squad and how can they be? How do you replace the differential quality of Salah without spending a lot?
Mostly, it takes spending. Differential quality is very rare. No coach can escape losing such quality.
This is just half of Liverpool's problem, however. There is a disease in Liverpool's tactics, too, as good as it is.
What is this disease?
Well, the whole idea of their football (as well as City's or any modern side) is to constantly keep the ball and constantly attack with it.
The real ingredient is to constantly attack with the ball. But how can you constantly attack when you don't have the ball?
So the secret ingredient of the secret ingredient is to constantly have the ball (which also has the knock-on effect of preventing similar against you).
There are two ways of constantly having the ball.
—Holding on to it when you have it.
—Collecting it from your opponents as soon as they get it.
City are the best at holding on to the ball. They are also one of the best, if not the best, at collecting it as soon as you have it.
Meanwhile, Liverpool also have these same principles. But there is one problem.
Liverpool are relying too much on collecting it back rather than holding on to it. When they have the ball, they are not taking care of it well enough. They attempt to attack directly too frequently.
It is too direct because they try TOO OFTEN to create from low-probability ideas/situations: direct lumps forward to runners.
They have been direct before but they went through Alexander Arnold a lot more before. TAA is, however, a special creator.
TAA is like De Bruyne, Mesut Ozil, David Beckham etc—unreal at finding people with a ball from distance.
That means it is PROBABLY OK to go directly through TAA frequently, as Liverpool truly did previously.
Now, however, something has changed a little in that dynamic.
Klopp wants Liverpool to be less predictable and has been introducing a greater deal of more variety through central creators in Henderson/Thiago/Ox/Elliot etc.
Good, right?
However, all of this means TAA is getting less of the attack ran through him than previously.
Since Liverpool are trying a lot of low-probability creation attempts, TAA is what made the difference in the margins.
Those direct lumps forward (not crossing) to runners are now getting done by other less special creators and the paucity of those attempts are showing.
Because the attempts are low probability, Liverpool are turning over the ball to the opposition too often.
Previously, they just simply collected it back because they had great structure and physical monsters at the back.
They are still doing it well.
However...
More teams are now copying the same ideas in possession as City/Liverpool and this means that they are more efficient and effective at turning those balls into goals.
These teams can also execute because of the technical quality they possess. Arsenal, West Ham, Brighton etc.
The fundamental problem is not that Liverpool are using other creators apart from TAA (in fact, that variety is good) but that the very ideas of their creative gameplan makes them vulnerable against good, efficient teams.
City are not as fast/direct for exactly that reason.
Liverpool succeeded previously because teams hadn't matched their clarity and quality and so they could more easily win those balls back and start another attack.
Teams were just not as well-assembled and organized as Liverpool were. Even the big ones.
Now that is changing.
Every single day that passes by, Liverpool's current game model gets weaker as more clubs start going the Arsenal, Chelsea, Brighton and West Ham way. Wolves, Brentford and Crystal Palace are coming.
Liverpool need to adjust or they are going to be in so much trouble.
Do you remember the first half of City vs Liverpool?
Liverpool vs Brentford?
Why did Liverpool lose control of those games?
Simple: they couldn't keep the ball well enough and those teams had the quality to consolidate.
I said as much at the time:
Imagine losing the ball so frequently against teams that have the likes of Sane, Foden, Saka, Kimmich, Lukaku, Partey, Kroos, Fati etc?
They will punish you.
This is why City play so safe and robotic until they are ready to attack the box. They respect the opposition more.
Maybe you don't like how City play football, maybe you feel Liverpool are more exciting, more human—good, but the truth is that City's football is the product of a perfect thinking process.
If computer algorithms could play football, City's football will be the most advanced.
Pep Guardiola has been playing the most advanced form of football possible in the game ever since his coaching career started. Guardiola is the perfect thinker, the greatest mind in soccer and his model is already prepared to beat even the good teams with good players.
Basically, every City game is a game from the future.
In 50 years, when AIs start playing football, you will remember this tweet and this City side.
People forget that football, ultimately, is another game and that all games tend towards resolution.
Tic tac toe. Chess. Soccer.
Tuchel's Chelsea often achieve the same robotic feeling as Pep's City because of the insistence on safe possession and safe progression to the opposition final third.
Arteta's Arsenal are the next to evoke this same feeling.
Domination.
Klopp is an emotional coach. He wants to rouse the crowd, get their blood pumped, their fists flying and their throats breaking. He is a Roman senator, arms astride, robes flying, high in the Colosseum, the sun rising behind his shoulders and a crowd baying for blood and honor.
While soccer is the closest game to the human condition in its roots, its accessibility, in its communal nature and ability to produce moments that stick in the mind like meat in the teeth, it is ultimately another game that is meant to be resolved.
Pep is the whirring computer.
Ultimately, the computer will win against the senator, even if the senator has his moments.
The only reason that the senator is still in the fight is because he has learned a few things from the computer himself. Klopp's Liverpool have been slowing down.
However, Klopp does not have the process that birthed Pep's ideas/conclusions. His thinking is different, less efficient, more flawed and more human.
Liverpool lose the ball despite having the ability to keep it because the soul of the team's possession ideas is not pure.
They just won't. Why should they respect Brentford that much? Why should they fear West Ham? Play brave, play without fear. Play for love, honor and country. Play as free men. Play for your families and your fans in the stand.
This produces exhilaratingly intense football.
Meanwhile, City can play with a kind of fear against good teams (especially in Europe). They can play with a kind of trepidation, a trance-like thing where they go through the process, where they keep the ball but with no life in it.
City are a bloodless team and this has stopped them from total domination.
Guardiola's Barca were different because they had players who considered themselves the best in the world and never fell into the kind of self-doubt Pep's City have sometimes fallen in.
Pep basically needed more fearless players. Players who never second-guess themselves.
This is why KDB always plays in Europe.
Ruben Dias.
Phil Foden.
More than anything, these players have brought an injection of fearlessness into City. They can play with blood on their nose.
This means City are more functional than before when it gets scrappy. When things don't go smoothly according to plan. That mentality is important because of the kind of surprises football can throw up.
Liverpool are in trouble.
Unless Klopp changes something about the gameplan, Liverpool may never be able to win league title again in this cycle. In fact, you shouldn't be surprised if Arsenal and Chelsea, with their Pep-clarified ideas and enough individual quality, surpass Liverpool very soon.
Too many on this platform are scared of getting too far ahead of conventional wisdom. If I say Arteta may be ahead of Tuchel, it's not batshit crazy—it's projection. People forget that Arteta is still very new on the scene...
(KRAKEN THREAD; for tacticos only)
...with only 1.5 seasons of management at the highest level and with so much ahead of him.
Take Tuchel himself for an instance, when he appeared on the scene his in-game principles were better than Klopp's. He was already a better coach (not manager) but nobody dared say it out.
Tuchel is not faultless. He is not as politically or as emotionally astute as Klopp is. He hasn't handled a rebuild under intense pressure and poor conditions such as Klopp has (2x). He can't identify, recruit and manage talent as well as Klopp can. In fact, overall, the
I know I once called out at Arteta to 'throw the bag' at him but upon further study, I am reviewing my opinion of Aleksander Isak.
For the rumored price it would
take to take to get him out of Real Sociedad, it is not worth it.
He needs to go up about two levels for it to be worth it.
He could do it with us but that would not be the best use of time and resources.
He'd be an upgrade on Lacazette but only very marginally so.
The likes of Tammy Abraham and Victor Osimhen have so much over Isak.
Take for instance the fact that Isak is not a killer striker—his ballstriking, box play, positioning, desire to score goals, etc do not inspire fear. You could let him lose around 18-yard boxes and the opposition have a feeling of safety—something you'd never get with a top CF.
If a 20-year-old CB won't fight for his place because one player is ahead of him at Arsenal, then I don't want him at my club. He can go be the Mbappe of CBs somewhere else.
Tacticos overfetishize talent. Yes, Saliba has potential but he's not the only great CB prospect around.
5 years ago and I would be afraid of losing him. Nowadays, CBs with a class passing range and ball-carrying who are built like a tank and run like bullets are dime a dozen. Saliba is super talented but you don't need the most talented CB prospect in the world to build a defense.
The thing with this United team is that... they badly lack fundamentals.
Ingrained fundamentals are what makes any team competitive, what keeps you alive in games and what determines your level over a long period.
United are lacking in too many fundamentals.
(KRAKEN THREAD)
These things are that makes a team and what it can do.
Fundamentals or the lack thereof cannot be easily defined but you can generally grade via eye test or via data if you want. You would want to score 'Decent' in everything and 'elite' at a few things.
The best teams in Europe are usually elite at
1. Buildup. 2. Pressing. 3. Sustained pressure. 3. Ball retention in all phases. 4. Compactness in all phases. 5. Counterattacking. 6. Defensive workrate.
These are fundamentals that make these teams not just difficult to beat but
Yesterday, Tavares passed to Tomiyasu from left to right on his weaker foot, then Tomiyasu did the same right back. Ben White was carrying the ball from defense to the final third. Aaron Ramsdale was slicing Villa open with his passes. We were winning every duel on the halfway
line. Tomiyasu was outpacing his man for a long pass. Aubameyang was flicking the ball out wide after receiving from the leftback.
These were things that Arteta wanted from Day 1. This is the vision. He didn't have half of these things a few months ago...
His vision is not even complete yet. There is so much else he wants to add. But Arsenal fans were screaming murder when he didn't have the tools but still retained the vision.
For me, Arteta's rebuild only begun when we had Smith-Rowe come back in. In fact, I could go one more
Understand this: we are facing the last hurdle on our path to glory—the wholesale revamp of the team identity and mentality. Culture is intangible and powerful. This new team is not yet confident in itself but that is a natural issue that will disappear with time.
(a thread)
The key ingredients for a new age has been set, thanks to Arteta's ruthless rebuild. We have poured out the old wine. Now is the time for a new wineskin, for a new atmosphere. For confidence.
Now is the time for this team to realize that they can do more than they have done.
Have you noticed that throughout this season, we have always begun our games pretty well? Even against European finalists in Chelsea and City?
We always start very well and then the team slowly starts to lose its own confidence and authority. The passes get longer and higher.