RP We're not ready to proceed yet (GMC). Will be an amendment of charges by GMC to improve time usage of court by 2pm.
Ch: Then GP will need time to assess the wording
GP Likely to be an issue re offensiveness, I'm happy to indicate which tweets should be referenced but this...
...won't be ready in 20 mins. We dispute the stem of 14
Ch Always the case of 14g were not inappropriate
GP Yes but No wrt the employers and those that refer to her family
Ch Is it likely to save time?
RP Tweets need exploring in x examination so all matters will be explored.
RP But if the stem isn't admitted?
GP 17 tweets don't refer to E, employer or family so these should be removed which would improve times
Ch GMC is taking too long to make decisions. Now 2.15pm is the latest time available to feed back instructions
Ch We expect refinement of wording by then. Also awaiting GMCs response to GP's document this am.

Ch to RP re this morning's document - is AH no longer accepting that his tweets wrt to A were in order to intimidate or were they not?

Adjourned to 2.15pm
RP New document on its way re 14g saying "Posted at least 38 tweets ref to E or her family"
GP We don't oppose it but we don't know which ones we're talking about in schedule 6 and have concerns

Ch It flows which ones involve E and her family. We admit that at least 38
GP We contest they're not inappropriate

Case mgmt discussions re determining which tweets are relevant and whether or not both sides will be discussing the same or tweets or be at cross purposes
Ch As we need to investigate whether these 38 are inappropriate or not we need to identify which ones they are
GP I've indicated which are direct and indirect refer to already. I suggest we enter our admissions on these
GP Schedule 6 Nos refers to Witness E
1 No pic of Church
2 No
3 Yes Indirect
4 No
5 No
6 NO
7 Yes Direct Family
8 Yes Direct
9 Yes Direct
10 Yes Direct
11 Yes Direct
12 No
13 Yes Direct
14 Yes Indirect
15 Yes Indirect
16 Yes Indirect
17 No
18 Yes Direct
19 N0
20 Yes Indirect
21 Yes In
22 Yes
23 Yes Indirect
24 No
25 Yes Direct
26 Yes Indirect
27 Yes Indirect
28 Yes Direct
29 Yes Direct
30 Yes Direct
31 Yes Indirect
32 No
33, 35, 36 No
34 Yes Direct
37 Yes Direct Not drafted
38 38 Yes Direct
41 Yes Direct
43 No
44 45 Yes Direct
46 Yes Direct
47 Yes Direct
48, 49 No
50, 51, 52 Yes Direct
53 No
54 Yes Direct
55 Yes Direct
So 11 Indirect
RP Will need to look at in terms of this significantly cutting back x exam of E

Ch Re 14g2 Fact is accepted but inappropriate nature is denied?
GP Yes
Ch Accepting that some were insulting but not offensive?
GP Accept that 4, 6 and 10 denied insulting but not offensive
To clarify: 22 = Yes Indirect. And it was wrongly quoted also
Oops...brain freeze...
39 Yes Direct
40 Yes but both Direct and Indirect
42 Yes Direct

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