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RD: if we could look first at tweet number 9, 415 of GMC bundle. Do have that? Thread starts earlier on 413.
Rd: Starts with E referencing debate on kiwifarms. We see your tweet (he read and too fast it's about doxxing). Tweet 9 appears which is about personal notoriety and psychological trauma. Mother of child is autistic, is autistic
AH: that person is talking about that child of E being autistic.
RD: and your tweet referred to same child?
AH: 'the' children refers generally
RD: do you agree tweeting about others children is personal and private and it was inappropriate to comment on public
AH: E brings up repeatedly the fact they have children so I wouldn't regard it as a private matter. I would concede that me and a medical profession writing in those sorts of terms writing about anyone's children could be characterised as inappropriate. I'm regretful
AH I've reflected on in depth now after reading the guidelines. It's a profound source of regret for me. Same themes as other tweets you've drawn my attention to
RD: looking at 10/11. Another reply from the other individual. Draw attention to all the accusations about doxxing E had a public Instagram with all children's details. You're telling her there she had a public profile
AH: I wouldn't characterise it like that. E had an account with all her information on it. When this tweet was written the account has gone or locked down. I was drawing attention to their hypocrisy.
AH: E so fixated in details of children remain private but then had it all publically available. E comments incencasntly she has 5 children. Commenting on the hypocrisy of the statement
RD: (reads out the tweets) you've viewed the account and the photos of children
AH: I'm sure E would characterise anyone who looked at her profile is a stalker.whixh I say it's not the case if someone puts the info out into public consumption. Whether I've looked at it or it doesn't tell you one thing or another
RD: You wanted her to know you'd seen it
AH: I would hope E was already aware of that fact as was public. If it caused E a sense of alarm and distress that public are looking at her Instagram profile that's her problem
RD: look at tweet 13, (reads tweets too fast about homophobia)
Chair: is it being put that this tweet was inappropriate?
Can I make it clear we've read through all these bundles.
So going through that isn't helpful.
Chair wants GMC to explain why it's inappropriate.
GP: we just thought it was a generic appeal to stop
Chair: had this person asked AH to stop tweeting at this point?
RD: I hope to explore. Ah makes the point its a doctored screenshot. Did you check at all before you referred that in your tweet?
AH: it's very difficult to tell and it's some years old so wouldn't be able to verify if it was true or not.
AH: my impression at the time...which is horrific in its context...horrifying..it fitted quite comfortably in the course of conduct by the specific individual. No reason to doubt E had written something so heinous
AH: I didn't say at any stage that E had said this
RD: you know she would have seen it?
AH: I would have hoped she would.
Chair: are you suggesting that someone tweeting someone else's tweet must be able to verify the tweet?
RD: in this case yes
RD: (too fast and moved to E's workplace.) We've seen you refer to A's job too
AH: Not place of work but job yes
RD: (reads tweet) Reference to Es former employement of E
AH: it was an oblique reference. I think that's on very shaky ground. It may of course relate to an area which E used to work but doesn't refer to that place of work.
RD: this is around the time of the injunction. Is that what ten minutes to landing means?
AH: it was in reference to C serving papers to E...it refers directly or indirectly...( I didnt understand what he said)
AH: that tweet was only written because C was in the process Es home address to serve high Court papers. I wrote this in ehat you might call dark humour.
AH: it was an oblique reference
RD: did you intend it to be oblique when mentioning cabin crew
AH: E had published themselves they used to work in that role, widely known what E had put out in the public domain
RD: let's look at tweet 50. This you accept is direct reference to E. (Reads tweet about blocking and allegations)
But of course it was and there's references to location relevant to E?
AH: this is an area I was aware the area was nearby
Chair: when did E request no further interaction from AH
Rd: 10th April
Chair: do have evidence if there were continuing tweets?
GP: this is a point I objected too. E withdrew (too quiet)
Chair saying he may need a discussion with colleagues about this. It's one thing that E hasn't made any further ref to AH after this point. Is it not a different thing if E continues to refer to AH?
RD: yes I can't argue otherwise
RD: the GMC objects to the number of tweets directed at an individual.
RD, GP, GMC discussing if ok for AH to respond to tweets made by E after she said stop.
GP clarifying it's the number and content and the number if time tweets presided over that GMC is concerned with.
Chair is asking what's a best use of the time. RD is saying he was going through the tweets thematically and would come to specific details as working through. Chair asks to cover it more broadly. RD agrees.
AH interrupts to ask to go the toilet and CHAIR decides to stop for lunch. Back at 1.30
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Chair: the tribunal now needs to go and make a decision privately. At that point we need to distill that I to a document and that takes time. We'll then go to a process with a committee and how we arrived at that. The earliest day is midday on Wednesday.
It's likely that day will move and if you'll be so kind to provide contacts if we think it's Thurs or Fri we will inform you.
GP: is there a possibility of it being earlier
Chairman: no
Chair: of you cantget here maybe you can be here by other means. We will make sure sufficient time to arrive. We're not going to tell you to be here immediately.
GP: clarifies again won't be earlier
Chair says no and thanks to everyone.
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Chair welcomes back.
RD discussing submissions.
Chair says the guidance documents weren't contained within it, they're publucally available, rarely placed into a bundle. Other point to article 6, missing tweets, not determinative in this case
RD: ....evidence could be obtained and rare to stop because of missing evidence overlaps with article 6. Gmc say can make this decision fairly
Chair: if we don't have that context then the burden rests with GMC
RD: there the only points I'd like to raise
GP: hope its convenient to structure submissions as follows. Starting to ref paragraph 3. Hope helpful I've summarised
Good morning from Manchester on Day 5 of @the_mpts case of Dr Adrian Harrop. The proceedings are due to begin at 10:30am and we're here ready to go.
For Clarity, Adrian Harrop will be abbreviated to AH, his representative Giles Powell, GP and GMC representative Ryan Donahue is RD.
Tribunal members Nicholas Flannagan is CHAIR, Dr. Vivek Sen, VS, and Mr Gulzar Mufti, GM.
We are running late. Hopefully we'll get started soon.
Chairman: have you had a time to talk about the Vice article?
AH: yes
Chairman: do you have questions Mr. Donahugh?
RD: you've read it?
AH: I've skimmed it
RD: there's a number of quotes are they accurate
AH: They are accurate.
RD: how did the article come ro be?
AH: my friend Ben hunter reached out as a friend saying he'd like to write an article in support of me and my experience.
RD: did you know it'd be published this week?
AH: no
RD: going to read a few quotes, AH believes it was an orchestrated campaign against you. Do you believe that's the case
AH: no, that quote was from a long response to Hunte
GP: says not the quote can we have the full quote
RD reads full quote
Dr Sen paraphrases AD'S evidence.
Sen: when you first saw Dr kumar and Dr Cooper, you looked at the guidance superficially and cast them aside. The guidance has only come come be a thing for you in last 6 months. You've been a salaried Dr since 2019
Sen: when did you finish your membership exam, did you have a chance to read the guidance.
AH: I did have knowledge of it but only for purposes for passing the exam.
This is different from holding information dear that remembering things for an exam
DR sen: would some of it not sunk in?
AH: I'm speculating to be truthful...lost my trail of thought.. ask me question again.
Dr: would some of that info not have sunk in?
We are back.
RD: just want to look briefly at the issue of 'insight'. You've said your insight was partial in 2018/2019
AH: yes
RD: when do you think your insight has begun to develop
AH: to a significant degree in the last 6 months
AH: My org is fantastic org and had some xonvis with senior members an dlooked at why I conducted myself in a certain way. Looked at triggers in situs and why that was a maladaptive way of viewing the situation. Only ever wanted to do the right thing
AH: it was maladaptive and it was wrong and I was point scoring and gaming idea. It felt joyous scoring these points.the likes, the retweets, I was given awards for it. It made me feel a rush of adrenalin and dopamine. I thought I was doing the right thing. I realise now