Thread by @TheUfoJoe

1 Avi on what Lue & Mellon bring to the table: Their knowledge base on the subject. We don't want any of their classified data, but if there is a way they can guide the @GalileoProject1 in the right direction, that will be a big help.

2 Lue: Newton, Einstein & Hawking. Many of the paradigm-changing moments come from the world of academia. If you want solutions, there's a good chance you need some academic expertise.

Five Pillars are great but you also need input from academia at every one of those levels.

3 Whether it's interacting with the legislative, executive or media, academia will need to be involved.

Avi: There is also the commercial sector. He brings up the National Cathedral with Haines, Nelson & Bezos. Lots of talk about space tourism but there's no plan to go outside

4 the solar system. Why? Because there's no money. Our urge to go out into space and explore is a spiritual quest. Space exploration and spirituality are connected.

And Mellon has joined the convo but no audio. He'll have to use telepathy.

5 Mellon: Lots of private sector, non-governmental scientists want to contribute/collaborate. On Gillibrand. It's another activity that raises public awareness. Just like Avi's book. First one to break ranks with scientific community. (Well, besides Davis, Hal, Kit, Colm, etc)

6 Once the members of Congress were finally able to hear from the military folks (like pilots) who encountered UAP, they became engaged and wanted to know more. (I'm paraphrasing a lot here).

7 Lue has spoken to religious figures from all different faiths. Space is the great void.

We'll see the value GP brings every single day.

Lot of stuff happening subsurface. Avi is part of that. Trying to bring in real academic vigor.

8 Avi: In GP, data will be acquired from telescopes they buy off the shelf. The sky isn't classified so everything collected will be shared.

Mellon: Gillibrand amendment requires continuing unclassified reports.

Avi: I don't want classified data. (How about the 23-min video?)

9 Mellon: I believe there's a lot of gov't info. available that's NOT classified or can be readily unclassified. Lue and Mellon see videos similar to what have been released & thinks those also should be released.

10 Mellon on disclosure & was how it might impact society. He can bring that to the table with GP. (Let's hear it!)

Mellon asked if he would consider working with Hessdalen. Mellon: I'm aware but it's a little too far away 4 me. (You don't need to go to Norway to work w/them)

11 Avi: There is a way to harvest low-hanging fruit. Meaning, take a road that has not been taken & there's a chance there is some low-hanging fruit. Nobody has used telescopes w/AI to capture some of this data. (At least AFAWK)

12 Max: Which locations? Nuclear missile sites?

Avi: Just bc they're seen at nuke & military sites doesn't mean they're JUST found there. We will avoid areas of the sky that are not classified. (Didn't he say earlier that the sky isn't classified?)

13 Mellon: GP isn't just limited to cameras. Also audio. Mellon connected them to someone who can track audio from meteors/bolides.

Lue: Telescopes can capture amazing things. It's just the initial step.

14 Max asking about (A-Mooah-Mooah) Oumuamua.

Avi: We think there's a force pushing it away from the sun. Pushed by reflecting sunlight? Dec. 2020, a similar object was seen. It was an old rocket booster, being pushed by sunlight.

15 Max: Could Oumuamua be a Tic Tac?

Avi: It's flat. Pancake shaped. Doesn't sound like a rock that we've seen before. He made the argument that we need to contemplate the possibility that it was artificial.

16 Mellon asked by Max about UFOs being ET. Mellon: I'm reluctant to speculate on what UFOs represent. I want more data. Most DoD do NOT think this is ET. It's still hard for them to form the words. Thus, the category in preliminary report of "Other."

17 Avi: If you see something unusual, u study & examine it. Need to do that with things like UAP. I'm intrigued by anomalies & that includes the ODNI report from June. Let's pursue it & not ignore it. I'm willing to be wrong about Oumuamua. Einstein was wrong about some things.

18 Lue needs to leave soon (Then he should have been asked more questions before he had to leave).

Ask if Lue & Mellon are comfortable w/field investigations (that Gillibrand calls for) where they will most likely encounter witnesses who have experienced what some call "woo."

19 Mellon: We're seeing objects using some kind of propulsion that we don't understand. A lot of novel, if not radical, tech that we could benefit from if we can emulate and understand. Back engineer.

20 Mellon first got interested in this when he spoke to the Navy pilots who were encountering UAP off East Coast & it wasn't being reported up the chain of command. He wanted to correct that problem. So he & Lue were telling everybody who would listen. (In other words, Why now?)

21 Mellon: I want to be careful when talking about threats. We have not seen any hostility or aggression. He then uses the muddy footprint analogy. Is he channeling Lue? :-) Some of the 2019 reports leaked to the media discussed objects very close to Navy ships, buzzing around

22 Mellon: them for hours and seemingly wanting to provoke those ships. They focus on military and that seems a little bit concerning.

23 Avi: We need to look at these things with our best instruments and determine their nature. If it's birds or drones, he'll transfer that data to the relevant parties.

Mellon: It's mystifying to me for decades why the scientific community & gov't haven't been more interested

24 Mellon: in this phenomenon when we have hundreds of thousands of reports from all over the world from military & civilian (pilots & regular folk) and scientists. If any ONE of those is ET, that's all it takes.

25 Max asking about Lockheed denying Reid access and exotic material. Would GP look into that?

Avi: We'd definitely want material. If we can get access to a gadget produced by an advanced civilization, maybe a million years ahead, he'd be like a kid in a candy store.

26 Mellon: Gillibrand amendment is intended to overcome stove-pipes and info. not being shared. Very similar to 911 but it's more extensive and worse bc there are more agencies that have data.

Lue and I were in DC last week in support of Gillibrand amendment and speaking with &

27 Mellon: consulting with people on the Hill and in the executive branch and trying to be of assistance in whatever way they could. Tentatively optimistic.

(I'd love for Max to ask Mellon more about Davis' briefings on the Hill in 2019)

28 Mellon: Gillibrand has some very good staff people.

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29 Avi's goal for GP is $100 million. LHC cost $10 billion. Private sector can make it happen. Calling @JeffBezos. Avi has not spoke to Mr. Bigelow to get funding. He was part of first advisory committee that helped develop the James Webb telescope.

30 Last question is from @LuAngeles: Does Mellon think grass roots political efforts (like Big Phone Home) are part of the public awareness of creating awareness of UAP?

Mellon: "I think all of that is helpful & I think it's important. I will say that I followed a particular

31 Mellon: course of action very carefully with Capitol Hill & it was primarily a discussion about national security. It wasn't a discussion about science & it wasn't a discussion about extraterrestrials, and that was very deliberate bc of the stigma is so bad that these members

32 Mellon: "couldn't even approach it if u didn't provide some cover, some defensible way for them to be able to talk about it and engage. And that's a subject that all Americans care about, national security, & rightly so. And there's a very general national security component

33 Mellon: "to this. So THAT is what kind got the members (of Congress) to engage, when they met with these Navy pilots & they looked them in the eye, and those airmen told them what their experiences had been. I would say that's, in terms of effect on the members & getting them

34 Mellon: "to engage. You notice @SenBillNelson, the director of NASA, has been talking about that. That's bc he was a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee when we pushed to get those pilots in there & have those briefings. By good luck, he's now the director of NASA

35 Mellon: "and it's obviously had a huge effect on his thinking. So I think everybody's efforts to advance the conversation & get the information out are helpful and contribute and positive, and I support all that. But in terms of the actual impact on the legislators, I think

36 Mellon: "I think first and foremost, it's been the Navy and the military and the national security argument."

(This goes along with what myself & a few others have been saying. The reason we're where we are now & "Why Now?" is bc of Mellon, Lue & those briefings. It's NOT bc

37 of our efforts. At least not yet. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying because one day, our numbers will be large enough to make that difference. And when that happens, we'll be able to vote people in and out of office, based on what WE feel is important. Patience.

38 Avi: For Bill Nelson, who is about to rock, we salute you...for bringing this subject to the forefront. Nelson inspired him to go ahead with the GP. It takes courage for Nelson to come forward.

39 Mellon: It's great Nelson has an open mind & is willing to consider the possibility these may be ET. We need more of that. Of course it can be ET! I've written about that & the ETH. If you look at the unclassified report, the ETH fits the data better than any other hypothesis.

40 Mellon: But it's only informed speculation and not proof. We need to get data that scientists can use so we can find out for certain.

Avi: We can call it "other" for the conservatives in the audience. Avi mentions Michael Sherman having statistical doubts about ET origin.

42 Avi: If we have enough data, we'll be able to tell. Shermer agreed and said he would report it in his "Skeptic" magazine. Avi told him that not enough. He needs to change the name of the magazine to "Believer."

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40 Max: What evidence is needed to convince general public that it's ET? (Question should be, what do we need to convince them that it's an anomalous intelligence, bc it may not be ET)

Avi: We need to convince the scientific community that it's unusual, not natural (Bingo).

41 Avi: Present enough evidence/data that is beyond a reasonable doubt. What would convince Avi? He wants a high-resolution image with bolts, screws and buttons that you can press. If it doesn't look like a rock, it's not a rock. A kid can figure it out. No need for math.

42 Avi: Collect data that will guide us.

Mellon: There are a lot of Americans who will be tough to convince, short of something in their faces. We need to convince the mainstream, provide data that's compelling. Photographic data can be extremely powerful and visceral. If we

43 Mellon: release data, & the scientific community is able to validate it, that shows objects entering the Earth's atmosphere, maneuvering & then exiting the Earth's atmosphere, we're gonna know pretty quickly whether those are ours or not. If the scientific community is able

44 Mellon: to see that kind of data validated, those kinds of things will move the conversation to a whole new level.

Avi: That would be enough for me. If it comes from outside the atmosphere, it's very unlikely to be human made (enter the Breakaway Civilization & Greer folks).

45 Neither Avi, nor Mellon has had their own UFO sighting/experience. And Avi is not a fan of Sci Fi.

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