None in this exchange stop to think if India wd hv really benefited from the brightness of these brightest. Leaching of talent is both a product of deliberate ideological flaws in the Indian state, as well as lack of strong identification with “home”. But there is more to this:
The brightest allowed into influential positions in institutions in seen to be key in financial, ideological dominance of western imperialism follow the same rules as in politics: in addition to talent they must show character flaws that wd make them toe their patron’s interests.
If ppl care to look carefully at the various statements/positions/activities of the “brightest” who hv also been allowed to “rise” to decisive roles, over the years, they will be able to see patterns that match what the colonial occupation regime in India would have appreciated.
Both the power-transferred post-colonial state and the “west” actually fear Indian “talent” and neither wants to allow talent that may challenge their grip on the narrative, to rise to decision making. Thus export of talent is part of the same threat management game.
In India, rebellious talent is a threat to the establishment: so “affirmative action” or other skullduggery can be used to marginalise talent, and the west having greater finesse and knowing the advantages of casting the net wide -allows all talent reasonable opportunities.
But both the post-colonial state and the “west” make sure that only talent that doesn’t strongly and independently identifies with “home” - independent of whichever patron wants them to identify with - gets to rise to decision making.
In the end, such characters wd play a role against the nations interest. Here nation is not necessarily identical to a particular state form of an era. No nation thrives by suffocating its talents in the name of whatever twisted justice its rulers seek to cynically employ.
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1) The CA had a large contingent of those educated in the imperial British system, and practitioners in the colonial judicial system. So they wd be expected to put themselves on different pedestal. But the actual debates throw up surprisingly modern contrarian views: I cite a few
This is B.Das moving amendment during the discussions in session on 24th May, 1949, Constituent Assembly. Here is a surprisingly candid outburst and shows that contrary to propaganda, even the CA debates did not show an unreserved faith in ability, impartiality of judiciary.
Das's comments continued: my pet peeve on dress code. Its not a question of mere fashion: its a much deeper issue of image sending out social signals.
Actually "sati" stories so drummed to prove wife-killer yindu, hide all the stories of historical Muslims killing wives to prevent them appropriated by others. In some versions Baz Bahadur ordered his harem including Rupamati executed when he fled. She was missed or wasnt wounded
Given her claimed works are deemed to show sophisticated upbringing, she cd hv been initially compromised unwillingly and later submitted to make the best of a bad situation. Bayazid was treacherous, and a known predator who is claimed to hv surprised Rupamati in a forest/river.
I often wonder if the Bayazid Rupamati story's alleged devoted love is a romantic exaggeration of later years, and whether her suicide was out of both a deep sense of hopelessness and betrayal of whatever trust she had tried to clutch on to in her life with Byazid.
All of those "academic" references, being chain referenced by others - are actually explicitly speculative. There is no direct hint about this in Bankim's communications. He was a voracious reader and collector of local histories, and wd hv had examples well before Phadke.
This shd not be about who inspired whom, and Phadke's insurgency shd be given its own recognition - but reducing Bankim's Anandamath to being modeled on Phadke actually feeds into the pseudo-Left's subtle and as yet unsuccessful attempt to delegetimize Bankim's "nationhood".
It also covers the thought process in Bankim that led to his concept of a nationhood framed by the Hindu. The first objection to the pseudo-left speculation on Phadke is that it seeks to place the source of Bankim's nationalism as derived from "outside" and "contemporary".
1) So he admits that there can be absolute lack of trust in the police and judiciary. But that’s probably the reality for the absolute majority of people, who don’t have the resources of a company to buy Narimanian super advocacy or whatever is demanded at the police station.
2) judicial activism within the court itself is lethal for a country as it seeks to bypass the legitimisation process of representative democracy. But open political/ideological commitments in public discourse by one who is still a sitting judge is a brazen challenge to people.
3) judiciary, elected representatives, crucially, the common citizen must think: one who hides behind state coercive protection of total immunity from criticism and is completely unanswerable to the ppl, is using his position to air political assumptions without placing evidence.
Per Haugen logic, Taslima Nasreen is an anti-Muslim incendiary poster, right wing Hindu nationalist. FB agrees and bans her. Or Ms Haugen, ur just angry that jihadi atrocities on Hindus get exposed? Is ur campaign not responsible for what happened to Hindus in Bangaldesh?
what is interesting is that Haugen actually apparently includes "pushing" centre-left to extreme left besides centre-right to extreme right: but I am seeing media only reports the right-wing bit, pretends she didnt do monkey balance on the left-extreme too.
Haugen is oblivious of any "anti-Hindu" "incendiary" posts - unbelievably, if she or her team could not read Urdu but only read Hindi, or only knew "English". Or simply they saw but chose not to mention it as it wdnt be politically correct or aligned to her politics.
1) What follows in this thread will sting everyone across parties, ideologies, sects, "spiritual paths" in some way: but stinging is not the intention. I have suffered socially for not being able to stop plain-speaking and what I see clearly. This is just plain-speaking.
2) The best way to understand whats going on in BD on Hindus is to grasp the peculiarities of Hindu society as it evolved through the last two invasions. A portion of power seeking Hindus converted, another portion didnt convert, but collaborated. This is the more fatal part.
3) The collaborator "elite" Hindu, had and will always feel threatened by the common Hindu's numbers - and as in every other elite wd seek to differentiate their rites/rituals as somehow superior to that of the commons they fear.