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9 Dec, 4 tweets, 2 min read
1 Maybe some tension. "Skinwalkers" was about AAWSAP, not AATIP, so. In one of the few interviews Lacatski gave, he said this about AAWSAP/AATIP mix-up in media:

"Now, AATIP in the Pentagon, as described in the articles, was basically zero funded, looked @ specific military #UFO
2 JL: "encounters – and very important ones because they had film – and it had no contract. So getting back to how did this mix up occur? I think it’s not deliberate, it’s not due to to authors, to television personalities, etc. It’s the fact we were running, not an official SAP,
3 JL: "but a closed program. I can tell you for a fact that within my own office, they did not know, except leadership, that this contract was being run. They had no idea whatsoever. Our security was that tight."

ufojoe.net/skinwalkers-my…
4 I know that doesn't add much to what we were discussing but not sure what else to say about any tensions that may or may not exist between certain folks.

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10 Dec
1 #ufotwitter - Lots to say about this from @BrandiVincent_, featuring quotes from @LtTimMcMillan & @ChrisKMellon. Of course, neither of them could bring themselves to utter the acronym, AAWSAP, which was run by Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies.

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2 Dr. Colm Kelleher, a molecular biologist & former deputy administrator for BAASS, told me, "AAWSAP was probably the broadest scope, largest #UFO program ever conducted by the United States gov't. And certainly, if u compare it against Project Sign, Grudge & Blue Book, that’s
3 probably accurate."

Vincent writes, "In the 2000s, Congress approved millions in funding to back the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or AATIP. That effort encompassing UFO sighting-aligned research."

No, that was AAWSAP. And specifically, they
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8 Dec
1 @BryceZabel: "We've acknowledged to ourselves, officially, that these things are real. Now we have an obligation to look into what that means. And if the search for what that means leads to having to accept a little woo in our lives, then I'm sorry, tough break for the people
2 BZ: "that find that to be too challenging. Ultimately, they may slow things down at the beginning.

"[I have] a new class of friend that actually knows a little bit about [the #phenomenon] & says, 'Boy, I just don't wanna think about it.' There will be people in Congress who
3 BZ: "fall into that category. Some of the people [in Congress] will be nuts and bolts people & some will be woo people, and some people will be, 'Don't talk to me about that' people."

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8 Dec
1 Agree 100%. I wanted to add that to my thread but left it alone. Bolender memo. After Blue Book ended, "reports of #UFOs which could affect national security would continue to be handled through the standard Air Force procedures designed for this purpose.”
2 Source: mysterywire.com/ufo/the-bolend…

And...

"Physicist and longtime CIA contractor Dr. Hal Puthoff says the end of Blue Book was not the end of UFO programs.

'Nonetheless, as far as the public was concerned, that was it,' Dr. Puthoff said during a 2018 talk in Las Vegas.
3 HP: “'I mean, even the Air Force Public Affairs Office put out circulars all the time in response to questions saying, no while we gave this up in 1969. What, in fact did occur was that there were programs going on behind the scenes anyway, as required by the Bolender Memo.'”
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8 Dec
1 #ufotwitter, I'm confused. I appreciate all the hard work done by CM & @LueElizondo but not sure why Mr. Mellon felt the need to take an apparent shot at AAWSAP on a day where we were all celebrating the progress made on the NDAA.

A) AAWSAP was formed in a bipartisan manner
2 B) When comparing AAWSAP & AATIP, AAWSAP wasn't the small effort. 50 employees (investigators, scientists, physicians) were hired & they investigated various cases around the country. In "Skinwalkers," they wrote, "more than 75 contractor personnel performed exotic aerospace
3 B) "research & several hundred part-time personnel conducted field work. A multi-million-dollar database to store contract research data was developed."

C) Both AAWSAP & AATIP were secret. In fact, CM didn't even know about AATIP for the longest time. In 2016, in an interview
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8 Dec
1 Forty years ago today. Excellent article by @BryceZabel but also sad to think what might have been.

"Three days before he died, Lennon sat down with Rolling Stone for an interview that went on for nine hours. In that time, he even speculated about how strange life was:
2 Lennon: “'I know we make our own reality, and we always have a choice, but how much is preordained? Is there always a fork in the road, and are there two preordained paths that are equally preordained?
3 Lennon: "'There could be hundreds of paths where one could go this way or that way — there’s a choice, and it’s very strange sometimes.'

"An older Lennon, celebrating his 80th birthday on October 9, would have told the story of his 1974 #UFO sighting so many times he’d have
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1 When you see supposed journalists take amateurish shots @ AAWSAP by claiming they "chased goblins," or constantly bashing the BAASS-lead effort, rub their noses in the AAWSAP-like NDAA language.

"Teams of Pentagon and intelligence community experts would rapidly respond to
2 "military UFO sightings & conduct field investigations under newly unveiled defense legislation set to pass Congress."

If they investigate cases where witnesses had close encounters & were injured, & follow said cases for an extended period of time, they'll get similar results
3 as the AAWSAP. And as Colm Kelleher said to me...the controversial "related phenomena" also occurred at Hessdalen, Norway and Malmstrom, AFB. Why? Because that's what happens with UFOs & close encounters. Dr. Eric Davis has shared similar sentiments.
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