Righto, just going to throw this out there but take none of the credit as the person behind this would rather avoid any ensuing debate...
In brief, there's huge debate around Omicron being "mild'. This is misleading as, whilst populations may be better equipped immunologically
to stave off severe disease, this is not generally due to reduced virulence per se...the virus would be just as nasty in a naive cohort.
So, obviously most of the information we have comes from South Africa. This is important because omicron is doubling so fast there literally
hasn't been enough time for severe disease to develop in any but the very first amongst those infected in the UK. We're used to the lags and thankfully different trajectories of severe disease and deaths now due to the high vaccine efficiency vs alpha and Delta, less so for the
latter...
Now, we know antibodies wane over time, so the ridiculous prevalence we still have for Delta was driving huge need for boosters in the UK - this is of course a highly privileged position for a country to be in, to supply 3rd and possibly 4th jabs to most of its populus
...for me, this makes the UK govt decision to rely 100% on vaccines all the more about exceptionalism...most countries would never be in a position to contemplate this...
However, I digress...
So, the question is, why have SA seemingly escaped a massive wave of severe disease and death (so far, anyway...), which some are peddling as this virus being the GBD wet dream of a benign virus that will harmlessly pass amongst us and provide life long protection vs SARS2...
Well, it's possible that omicron might preferentially infect the upper rather than the lower airway, and there has been some lab data to support this. However, Delta was similar, and I think we know how that's going...also, it simply isn't true that respiratory viruses that in
the main infect the upper airway don't cause lower respiratory tract disease...I'm talking Rhino and others here.
So, why is @CMO_England rightly concerned at present (no pun intended), despite the mixed messages from others that like to be surrounded by union Jack flags? Well,
firstly, even if the omicron variant was much less pathogenic than delta, the sheer number of infections we're predicting means huge human suffering and massive NHS pressure...
Why are we predicting so many infections? Simply because the majority of the really hard hitting
antibodies we make in response to our Wuhan based vax, or indeed following infection with alpha or delta aren't going to trouble omicron. This is because 3 out of the 4 main sites on the omicron spike have profound changes that prevent sera from binding. Now, this CAN be fought
with boosters, which not only reboot the levels of protective antibodies, they also refine them into being better precision weapons that can bind to our new omicron companion...
So, in our present situation, PLEASE GET YOUR BOOSTERS!
Remember, whilst the risk of infection is at least for the moment approaching spring 2020 levels again if you haven't been boosted recently, we DO still have our cellular immunity induced by our vaccines that should help
reduce the incidence of severe disease, hopefully to a great deal, but again that pesky denominator means trouble for a lot of people I'm afraid...
So, why are the vaccines not preventing infections as they did for our previous VOCs? Well, SARS2 has been changing in different
ways across the planet, but there are often common themes in terms of the patterns of mutations that arise separately in different places because they address the same need, or evolutionary pressure, that the virus faces in its environment. The two main ones so far have been to
get better at infecting humans, and to avoid their immune responses. Primarily, antibody responses drive this change because SARS2, like many respiratory viruses, gets in, amplifies and passes on to others so quickly that your cellular immunity doesn't act at the population level
as much, i.e. SARS2 simply doesn't care if it makes you poorly, it just wants to move on. This is also why the notion that viruses naturally attenuate is Frankly Bollox...it's your severe disease protection that helps us here...look at what happens if we drop measles vax rates...
So, again, where was I? Well, there's a particular path of SARS2 evolution that is far more focused upon avoiding antibodies than improving transmission, and these are represented by the Beta and gamma VOC. These have a number of changes in those regions of spike where antibodies
bind in the main, just nowhere as many as omicron. The gamma VOC arose in Brazil, most likely in the region around Manaus, where it was able to reinfect huge numbers of people that had previously seen the original Wuhan virus...back to GBD types, Manaus was once touted as a model
for herd immunity following infection...the death toll from both waves was catastrophic, just out of interest.
Similarly, beta arose in South Africa and notoriously evades antibodies induced by the AZ vaccine.
Interestingly, beta and gamma are thought to represent paradigms for
how SARS2 might evolve over long term infection within immunosuppressed patients, such as those with poorly treated HIV...see this fascinating study for details... medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
So, I finally come to my point! Turns out that if you consider the antigenic profile of
Omicron (so the nature of the parts of spike to which antibodies bind), it belongs squarely in a gang with its mates beta, gamma, and also a subpopulation of delta that has acquired a mutation at position 484 in spike, a big antibody evasion mutation...
So, one possibly overly
simplified explanation for why SA is seemingly doing OK (for now...), is that their second wave was mainly beta, and huge numbers were infected. We know antibodies are a huge correlate of protection versus severe COVID as well, as they not only prevent infection, they reduce
spread around the body once you're infected. Hence, even though vaccine coverage in SA is pretty woeful, seeing beta first may well be handy when your then faced by omicron...note, this does NOT condone immunity following infection as a deliberate strategy vaccines are ALWAYS
the right path...by all means, tweak your vaccines...or, suppress cases and reduce the likelihood of VOC in the first place...🤦♂️ that's another thread!
So, are we in trouble? Yes, I'm afraid I think that's the case. Many of us will be protected from severe disease, but without
boosters our antibodies will not stop omicron. Severe disease will ensue in some vaccinees, but mainly non-vaxd, plus kids are nowhere near protected and DO get sick. Again, CEV and long COVID are overlooked.
Xmas is endangered because it's too little, too late...again 🤦♂️🏴
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Right, have to get some things off my chest...
All entirely my p.o.v, lots of reading but no citations. Happy to be proven wrong, but I've done my own research...🤪 1. Of course the pandemic isn't over and wasn't a few weeks ago either...utter fuc*nuts who said so. Honestly...🤦♂️
2. Somewhat related to 1. No, it is NOT ENDEMIC YET, in the UK or anywhere else. I mean, if nothing else, our new friend Omicron is the equivalent of this to that argument...(couldn't find a gif with the big one, would you believe?!)
...but in all seriousness, we have nowhere near enough stability in terms of our population level immunity to outpace SARS2 evolution, prevalence is ridiculous, and this is having the predicted outcome in terms of severe disease, death AND long COVID, across all ages 😪
It's noticeable that even before MHRA has done it's assessment, a very vocal element are already trying to dictate the media narrative on vaccines for 5-11 yo...
Sadly, some of the narrative being used to put the kibosh on this is baseless and misleading
There are some key areas that are cited over and over again by certain groups of people against vaccinating kids...they usually sound plausible as they're based around facts, but "based" is doing a lot of work here
1. Kids rarely get ill from COVID. OK, so it's certainly true
that the relative risk for people developing severe acute disease reduces significantly with younger age. Everybody knows this, but we're currently in a situation where the majority of the 12M <18s in the UK are being exposed. As such, it's a simple fact that the denominator for
OK, an attempt to explain virus evolution, especially SARS2, and how our present situation influences this process.
TLDR...it's fair to say that current UK scenario is almost certainly an "enabler" for SARS2, and it could encourage the refinement of, or next step from Delta...
Some important points to remember: 1. Viruses are obligate parasites, so entirely dependent upon the host to survive and thrive. 2. Viruses are the ultimate embodiment of "selfish genes". 3. Viruses usually evolve towards improved transmission, in the absence of interventions.
4. Mutation is essentially a random process, but selection and establishment of new mutants is not. 5. We're talking about Darwinian evolution, but on a massive and incredibly fast scale. Nevertheless, "fitness" and evolutionary niches are major players. 6. 1-5 = too much jargon!
What I really find hard to stomach on all the frankly heinous statements in the JCVI minutes is that so much damage has already been done.
Failure to protect teens over summer despite unlocking and everyone with half a brain realising another wave would come is just shocking imo.
MHRA approved Pfizer for 12+ in June. We are in a pandemic. JCVI should not have needed nearly 4 months to come up with their non-decision/deferral to the CMO.
Reading the 💩 about using kids the way they suggest is so upsetting, but also how did they realistically imagine that
working?
The fact is that the majority of infections have been in <18s, these have seeded infections in other age groups, and we're seeing rising hospitalisations and deaths as a result, across all ages, including kids.
Our waning immunity would be far less of a concern if there
Sick of gaslighting regarding the idea that cases don't matter.
It's criminal what's happening to young people and children, you know I believe that, but perhaps those wearing blinkers might consider how cases are eroding the amazing benefits our vaccines could bring, would that
register, I wonder?
One problem, I believe, is that most of us register changes rather than absolutes or gradual shifts in numbers. This is perfectly normal, it's how our nervous system works for one thing. Another issue is that "the steady upwards trajectory continues" is a lot
less newsworthy than sudden outbreaks etc. Yet, in a very short time since schools returned, we see ridiculous prevalence, plus hospitalisations and deaths at rates in younger people that really should make everyone pause for thought. After all, this is a mere sniffle to most,
The latest GBD/HART etc mantra is that vaccines don't stop transmission. It's also being echoed by some who ought to know better.
It's right that cax fares better vs severe disease vs protection, this is remarkably common for others as well. Think about it, protection is mainly
antibodies and the tissue resident cell responses. Severe disease is dealt with by your memory response etc in addition.
But why is delta causing infections with such frequency? Fair question. First, it's absolutely the case that most severe cases are unvaccinated...incl more
and more <18, mainly <16.
So, what dictates how thetge vaccines protect you? It's both you and SARS2. In simple terms and no particular order: 1. Vax efficacy, dose interval and time since dose. 2. Your age and genetics 3. Meds and underlying conditions, incl multi morbidity