As always, Paul's comments are very thoughtful and relevant. I want to try to add some context here as regards how to effectively deal with this "disconnection" problem as a teacher.
By "disconnection" I mean that the flawed movement that one is trying to change is a function of a movement pattern that has been done MANY times, and as such it has become AUTOMATED ,ie., not consciously derived/executed.
It may have initially been a function of some type of explicit instruction, eg., "stay back," "swing down", "make your hands quicker",etc., et al, but regardless as to the origin, eventually [via trial/error/repetition], the movement becomes tacitly expressed.
So, to make this less abstract, let's say that this is a hitter that comes to me and I assess this automated pattern as flawed. And let's stipulate that the basic flaw I see is that he has been taught to "get extension." And hit the ball "out in front."
Which has resulted in the hitter creating a movement pattern which essentially demands a contact point--- --and an apex of momentum----a foot in front of the lead foot.
I should add here that based on both empirical and biomechanical knowledge, this is flawed. BUT. The player suffers from the fact that he has no conscious [or conceptual]understanding of this flaw. AND the flaw is automated.
Now, from THE basic teaching perspective the MAIN question is: "How do I get this player to PHYSICALLY understand what I need to get him to understand?"
Now, it is true that if he has learned via bad instruction, e.g., "stay tall and swing down", yes one does need counter that kind of explicit [bad] instruction.
But. Based on long experience, THE first step in this process is along the lines of creating conditions wherein the hitter is physically confronted, so to speak.
In other words, first create physical CONSTRAINTS, that force the hitter to have to find alternative ways to swing.
For those who have been taught to "get extension out front" a very typical constraint I have used is to set up a tee.......aligned across from the body MIDLINE [navel to chin].
AND with the goal being: To create an upward ball trajectory ...about 10 ft. over the infield.
Without saying ANYTHING as to HOW to do this, that is the goal. Now having done this MANY times, I will say this: Those who have automated a swing based on a "get extension out front" will FAIL to obtain the goal [upward trajectory over the infield].
So. Without any explicit instruction [at this point] I have merely created a type of constraint [deep tee] and set an external goal [ball flight].
Now, once they begin to try to find ways to do this, I then begin to offer some "hints". For ex. a typical way that they will try to "solve the problem" is to....."lean back" [shift the trunk BACK towards the catcher] so as to create more time/distance to swing].
At this point I begin to explain ----in much more EXPLICIT WAYS [via demos/verbal explanations]-- as to what they are trying to do is wrong/ not optimal.
Eventually----after they have repeatedly failed------I then VERY EXPLICITLY explain/describe [again via physical demos and verbal explanations] as to how and why their AUTOMATED patterns are flawed.
And it is this basic teaching routine---one that combines a constraint based AND explicit knowledge----that I typically use to START the process of teaching a hitter as to how to "disrupt" the automated and flawed process.
And to begin the process of RE-learning how to swing in a more optimal manner. My MAIN point here is that I think that this re-learning process NECESSARILY [typically] requires both implicit [constraints] and explicit knowledge/instruction.
I say this especially in view of the fact that much of the new motor learning research seems to downplay the efficacy of explicit instruction.
Meaning that much of what I have seen in the literature is along the lines of .....explicit instruction tends to impede performance.
But of course this kind of summary judgement PRESUMES the performance is optimal!
Thus, THE question remains, how does one effectively address FLAWED movement patterns. Over the last 10 or so yrs. of looking at motor learning research, I have seen VERY little [none really] that tries to directly address this very important question.
If anyone can provide input from motor learning research, please do so.

• • •

Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to force a refresh
 

Keep Current with Englishbey Performance

Englishbey Performance Profile picture

Stay in touch and get notified when new unrolls are available from this author!

Read all threads

This Thread may be Removed Anytime!

PDF

Twitter may remove this content at anytime! Save it as PDF for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video
  1. Follow @ThreadReaderApp to mention us!

  2. From a Twitter thread mention us with a keyword "unroll"
@threadreaderapp unroll

Practice here first or read more on our help page!

More from @SteveEnglishbey

6 Jan
Probably close to 20 yrs. ago is when I first ran across the concept of the "serape effect." This preceded finding Tom Myers's "Anatomy Trains", and along the same time I found Mel Siff's "PNF" exercise programs, and preceded finding "biotensegrity models."
ALL of which I find related in the sense that they all helped me to better understand how to think about, as I sometimes simply phrase it, "how the body works" in the specific context of throwing/swinging.
Here's a link I cited and talked about quite a few yrs. back about the serape effect:

modernskiracing.com/Serape.pdf
Read 7 tweets
4 Jan
I've talked about this before. I think the best physiological/biomechanical explanation is that the back leg action [post contact] is a REACTION to the upper trunk's [arms/bat included] angular momentum.
Said another way: It is a function of the distal component [the back leg] attempt to create greater gyroscopic stability, ie., as the as the trunk leans forward and as the arms/bat go "out and around" to get to the low/outside contact point, the back leg tries...
....to "offset" that action by essentially reacting in the opposite direction.
Read 7 tweets
1 Jan
To add some context to my following comments, I would suggest looking at some of my ending comments about motor learning theories in my most recent threadreader post.
Let me say at the outset that I am no novice to books on motor learning/motor control THEORIES [my emphasis because I want to denote that MUCH of the research is simply that ----theory---as opposed to well established physics views on how things work, so to speak].
[Yes I do realize that various aspects of quantum mechanics has muddied the waters, so to speak, but for now I'll simply assert that Newtonian physics is more grounded relative to motor learning theories].
Read 23 tweets
1 Jan
Before I start, I want to thank "Hitters Edge" for putting this up. The real value of a clip like this is that it gives you a rapid compilation of a single hitter swinging at a variety of pitch speeds and locations.
Thus allowing a quick comparison and analysis of the kinds of similarities and differences --within 1 great hitter---that can be gleaned.
Let me add a little context to this clip by saying that these are most certainly not the first clips of Kenny that I have tried to analyze. My guess would be that I have spent at least 100 hrs. [starting at Setpro around 2001] looking at Kenny's swing via slo-mo and real time.
Read 26 tweets
27 Dec 21
Well, without really knowing the author and/or the context of this quote, let me make a few comments.
First this: Based on long experience [that includes "book learning shit", working with all kinds of players, empirical research, thousands of hrs. practicing "doing it"] ,the question of "if" is settled ,i.e., this IS a defining of elite hitters!
And as regards this: "then we must find additional ways to train this skill.”

Well, I can only say that I have been addressing this question [as a teacher] for about 15 or so yrs.
Read 18 tweets
27 Dec 21
The plate as a frame of reference is thoroughly erroneous. From my vantage point, in the context of assessing the contact point in terms of efficiency [conforming to the "Pcrw" standard] THE frame of reference is the hands/knob alignment, relative to the base of support.
"Base of support" meaning the lead leg [half of the base of support], i.e., the lead foot, knee, and upper thigh the combination of which create stability/support of the trunk/arms/bat's rotary motion.
A very key parameter of measuring efficiency or said another way----optimizing connection/maximal momentum transfer from body to bat--- is limiting the displacement of the hands/knob.
Read 19 tweets

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features!

Become Premium

Too expensive? Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal

Or Donate anonymously using crypto!

Ethereum

0xfe58350B80634f60Fa6Dc149a72b4DFbc17D341E copy

Bitcoin

3ATGMxNzCUFzxpMCHL5sWSt4DVtS8UqXpi copy

Thank you for your support!

Follow Us on Twitter!

:(