Just finished listening to the discussion of brother @Alminhaji and what I can deduct from the discussion is the following, especially for those who say 'He got destroyed he didn't even bring evidence in regards to Tabari'.

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At minute 45 he mentions clearly, Imam At Tabaris mere statement of ارتفع is yet kot enough to give us what he himself means by this. I have mentioned this in a thread earlier, the point at Tabari is making by this still remains vague.

He negates that which I understood in the
language and he brings forward the argument against the Mu'attil and thereby says 'why don't you say it's it's Irtifaa' of Mulk and Sultan'. So both the Majazi and the Lughawiyy meaning have been stirred by Imam Tabari.

Yet what Imam Tabari tells us, is the outward
meaning of the word or phrase استوى على to mean ارتفع وعلا.

And just as I have mentioned before in the other thread, one can say

الرحمن على العرش يعني هو فوقه

Allah is above the throne, meaning he is over it.

Here there is nothing specified and this was the point
Brother @Alminhaji was trying to bring establish. The issue here was, Brother Ehsan was citing Imam Tabaris statements while Al Minhaj was explaining how he himself has not specified a point by saying استوى بمعنى ارتفاع

- What is the point Imam Tabari is making by saying this
Imam Tababri also doesn't take the opinion of انتقال so what does he mean by ارتفاع then? Does he mean other than that, does he mean something which we can't understand or is there another meaning?

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