Thread/ $TCEHY back-of-envelope valuation.

Since the IPO in 2004, Tencent has returned ~45% annually to shareholders, turning $1 into $553.

Let's have a brief look at what returns could look like moving forward over the next 5yrs...
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Let's start with a base case.

@JordsNel from Vineyard Holdings put in the hard work with his deep-dive that I highly recommend. He shared the est. global industry 5Y growth rates weighted against Tencent's revenue (see below).

Jordan's weighted avg. growth rate was 14.6%
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Let's round that up to 15% which is still conservative considering China's CAGR in each industry is likely to be above the global avg.

Additionally the capital allocation from Pony Ma & management + the dominant market positioning is likely to lead to much higher returns
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Base case (2021-2026)

- Revenue CAGR 15%
- Investment portfolio CAGR 15%
(includes investments from FCF on top of IRR)
- 25% FCF margin
- 20x FCF multiple (core business)

Base case 5Y annual return: 15%
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Bear case (2021-2026)

- Revenue CAGR 10%
- Investment portfolio CAGR 5%
(includes investments from FCF on top of IRR)
- 20% FCF margin
- 15x FCF multiple (core business)

Bear case 5Y annual return: 1%
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Bull case (2021-2026)

- Revenue CAGR 20%
- Investment portfolio CAGR 20%
(includes investments from FCF on top of IRR)
- 30% FCF margin
- 25x FCF multiple (core business)

Bull case 5Y annual return: 27%
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If we weight the probabilities of each scenario 25/50/25 then $TCEHY expected return over the next 5Y is 14.5%.

I would argue that is conservative, i'd personally weight the bull case at ~30% and bear case at ~10%. I was purposefully pessimistic in all scenarios.
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If you want to take advantage of low prices in China I think $TCEHY is the best bet. $BABA is slightly cheaper, but Tencent is higher quality with better management imo. Both trade at ~10-12x NTM earnings if you back out investments and cash.
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Both have regulatory risks, maybe slightly less so for $TCEHY since they are somewhat globally diversified through the investment portfolio.

$BABA has huge upside (uncertain) with their market leading cloud business. But Tencent could benefit from their own cloud as well.
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$TCEHY core business offers slightly more growth imo. But again, depends on how $BABA cloud works out for overall growth.

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$TCEHY back-of-envelope valuation

10yr FCF per share CAGR of 31%
10yr EPS CAGR of 34%
10yr median FCF margin of 34%
ROIIC 59.4%
Reinvestment rate 41.7%

Investment portfolio value of ~$200B (conservatively).

LTM earnings $28.7B
Current Market Cap $564.4B
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That’s a P/E of 19.6

If we back out the investment portfolio value we get to just 12.6x earnings for the core business.

ROIIC * Reinvestment rate gets us to 25% growth. Let’s slow that down to 15% to be conservative.
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If we apply 15% growth to $81.2B LTM revenues we get to $163.2B in 5Y.

Median 10yr FCF margin is 34%, let’s use just 25% to be conservative again.

That gives us a FY26 FCF of $40.8B
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$TCEHY & the gaming crackdown in China.

One of the main reasons for Tencent’s 40% share price decline since February, is the CCP’s crackdowns on the gaming industry.
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The crackdown includes a restriction for all minors ‘under 18’ being limited to only 3 hours of playing video games per week.

They have 1 hour on Friday, Saturday & Sunday between 8-9pm, which is being monitored by a face scan from gaming companies such as $TCEHY
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At first, this seemed like horrible news for Tencent and the media has loved to make it seem that way.

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