One of the big issues here is that we won't know if artificial wombs create developmental problems until like 40 years after they have begun to be used on a large scale.
Suppose there are 1,000 conditions we "care about" and the average condition impacts 1% of births in the real world and 5% in artificial wombs, and that there's no way to ID the condition while in the womb.
Suppose conditions manifest on average at age 20, normally distributed.
We would need *at least* 10,000 conceptions aged to age 20 or so just to identify *half* of the conditions.

That is to say, by the time we knew the problem, we'd already have thousands and thousands of people experiencing it.
The problems people imagine at first are like clear biological issues.

But what if it turns out that there are subtler things? What if not having the same human bonding just leads to much-angrier-adults?
Many people like an analogue of surrogacy, but they have nothing in common. First, surrogacy still involves a huge amount of fetal conditioning that we barely understand at all, and which an AW would change in ways we can't even measure or imagine.
Second, surrogacy is expensive. One can easily imagine AWs being cheap eventually. This matters because one can obviously foresee various social agents (egotistical rich folks, certain states, maybe some other social organizations) deciding they'd like 2,000 babies. or 2 million.
We have absolutely no idea what happens to parent child bonding in that situation....

.... except the closest analogue is large royal harems where fathers had little role with most kids, and even mothers were often detached from their kids.
And what we know about large royal harems is the kids often ended up in fractious civil wars and murderous infighting.
We can also see the case of Romanian pronatalism to understand the long-lasting terrible effects of suddenly making it "too cheap" to have kids. In Romania, this was via coercion: but very cheap AWs could achieve the same thing!
One can easily imagine cheap AWs enabling people to initiate lots of conceptions without being deeply invested in them. Maybe they ultimately decide to abort (one imagines huge abortion rates with AWs), but at a sufficiently low price, abandoning to the state is plausible.
We can easily imagine, and indeed see a plausible path to, vastly greater numbers of young children being wards of the state, which has extremely adverse outcomes for kids, and that's assuming the gestation itself doesn't cause problems!
But while normally I hate "precautionary principle" type gobbledygook, I think it's warranted here, since we literally can't know effects until it's waaaay too late, and the possible effects include very large amounts of misery among survivors and possibly large amounts of death.

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Jan 21
What's so dumb about this is that the EXACT SAME AUTHORS of the paper reviewed here ALSO did a paper studying ONLY ADOPTIONS, and find that the negative effects on women are EXACTLY THE SAME.
Here's the paper. They ask "Does biology drive the motherhood penalty?" and they find the answer is "No, not at all." aeaweb.org/articles?id=10…
Adopted children hurt mothers' incomes just as much as gestational children.

What impacts mothers' career trajectory is child*rearing* more than child*bearing*, tho having a baby and putting up for adoption probably impacts as well.
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Your quirky demographic history fact of the day:

here's the historic *marital completed fertility* for five well-documented Chinese lineages going back WAY before modern birth control.

Source: etheses.lse.ac.uk/4223/ Image
There's absolutely no way you get these numbers without having widespread *marital fertility control*.

Folks the Zhou, Zha, and Gu lines here are marital TFRs around 3 or 4. That's not that much higher than many modern post-contraceptive marital fertility rates!
Especially once you account for different child mortality. Probably if MCFR was 3.5, the share surviving to puberty would be just 2.5 or so, whereas today an MTFR of 2.5 yields surviving fertility of like 2.4 or 2.45, and we commonly see MTFR of 2-2.5 in western societies.
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"Why should parents have any right to know what is being taught?"

literally the argument here
And nobody ever lies!

(spoiler: there are lots of lies)

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This blog post is really interesting.

Basically, they show that almost the *entire* relationship between "Christian Nationalism" and "support for extremist violence" is mediated through "belief in religious prophecy."
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This is the key chart. On an index of expressed support for violent political activity, Christian Nationalism ONLY predicts support for violence IF you have high belief in prophecy. For low-prophecy-believers, More "Christian Nationalism" = LESS support for violence!
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ahaha, it's gonna be funny if Russia is telling the boys they'll be home by Christmas.
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can the Russian army make it to Kyiv in 3 months?

Heck, they can make it to Kyiv in 3 days most likely!

Can they actually *hold the country* and pacify resistance in 3 months?

Seems far less likely.
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Apropos @elonmusk 's demography comments and an exchange with @ikashnitsky , it's interesting to ask, "Just how reliable are major global demographic databases?"

My view: not very!
This is not because the demographers at UNPD or IHME are doofuses or something; it's because producing big global forecasts is extremely difficult even when the data is all homogenous and reliable. But sorting through competing data sources that disagree is even harder!
Infamously, very smart demographers disagree about China's population to the tune of tens or hundreds of millions of people, and China's TFR is debated to be anywhere from 0.9 to 1.7 in recent years! Right there, that tells you global forecasts are gonna be dicey.
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