Concubine or court lady maid? What was the best (or the worst) status : a thread #TheRedSleeve #LeeJunHo #LeeSeYoung ImageImage
The court ladies had a special status among the population in the Joseon era. As they served the royal family, ppl considered them as special (the 🧚‍♀️ metaphor in #TheRedSleeve was accurate). But the price to pay was very high: they entered the palace very young to ensure they …
…Were still virgin, as they were the king’ spouses. The CL couldn’t have a love life or build a family. Of course some CL had affair with civil servant or courtier. But they risked death penalty as Yung Hee in #TheRedSleeve if they get caught
The presence of the eunuchs in the palace is justified in Goryeo/Joseon by the need to ensure the safety of the female royal members and the court ladies #TheredSleeve
If their master dies, his/her court ladies are kicked out of the palace (it happened to Bok Yeon after Yeongjo’s death). Usually those CL worked for royal or noble families living outside the palace. #TheRedSleeve
If a court lady is kicked out the palace for disciplinary purpose (when San asked Deok Im to live the palace after their argument), it was a shame for the court lady. Usually, her family didn’t want to stay in touch with her as she put the blame on her family #TheRedSleeve
When a court lady was too old or sick, she was kicked out the palace. She wasn’t allow to die inside there even she spend the most part of her life #TheRedSleeve
As the king’s wife, a court lady could be bedded without her consent. Otherwise, she could face death #TheRedSleeve
Was it such a good thing to be a court lady maid after all ? #TheRedSleeve
Once a court lady was bedded, she didn’t’ become the king’s concubine after all. She’s a special court lady maid: not a concubine yet, not a court lady maid anymore. And nothing guaranteed that she would become one. Remember San’s threat …#TheRedSleeve #LeeSeYoung #LeeJunHo
San threatened to bed Deok Im only once so she would be despised by the other court ladies. Even when the court lady become officially a concubine, her position in the palace is linked to the king's affection. Once he has a new favorite, she lost her importance #TheRedSleeve
If the concubine gives birth to the crown prince, she becomes the most powerful and richest woman. But, the heir is automatically adopted by the queen, as the official consort. So the crown prince must call mother the queen and not his biological mother #TheRedSleeve
According to the king’s affection, a concubine could reach (or not) the 1st rank, and was considered as a royal family member. But an inferior one still. If San have sticker to the rules, he would never have buried Deok Im next to Mun Hyo. But he did, even if it wasn’t allowed
A concubine couldn’t leave the palace and wasn’t allowed to see her family members if they lived outside the palace (San broke that rule for Deok Im). Once in the palace as a concubine, they were trapped forever but could die inside the palace #TheRedSleeve
The concubines lived longer than the commoners or the queens, because they had access to physicians (there’s no explanation why they lived longer than the queens) #TheRedSleeve
Once the king have a new favorite, the concubine doesn’t have a word to say. She loses the king’s affection and her role in the palace. It was quite common for older concubines to be replaced by younger ones #TheRedSleeve
Even if a concubine who was court lady becomes 1st rank, she’s still considered inferior to the queen or the selected concubines (remember when San rushed to pay his respect to the queen when he learnt Deok Im’s pregnancy) #TheRedSleeve
Selected concubines or the queens were only visited the days the observatory decided. The concubine (ex court lady maid) could be bedded anytime by the king. #TheRedSleeve
Court lady or concubine: which is the best or worst? Difficult to judge. For both it was a life of sacrifices but as a concubine, a court lady could at least have children which was forbidden to the court ladies. #TheRedSleeve
Becoming a concubine was a court lady maid was a huge social class jump, with wealth and influence. For the selected concubines who came from noble families it was a way to ensure their political influence with an alliance with the royal family #TheRedSleeve #LeeSeYoung #LeeJunHo
End of the thread 🧵

• • •

Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to force a refresh
 

Keep Current with ₜₕₑ ᵣₑd ₛₗₑₑᵥₑ ᵢₙ ᵣₑₕₐb ₂₅₂₁

ₜₕₑ ᵣₑd ₛₗₑₑᵥₑ ᵢₙ ᵣₑₕₐb ₂₅₂₁ Profile picture

Stay in touch and get notified when new unrolls are available from this author!

Read all threads

This Thread may be Removed Anytime!

PDF

Twitter may remove this content at anytime! Save it as PDF for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video
  1. Follow @ThreadReaderApp to mention us!

  2. From a Twitter thread mention us with a keyword "unroll"
@threadreaderapp unroll

Practice here first or read more on our help page!

More from @lullydash

Mar 5
« Are we truly talking about the tangerine ? » : a thread 🧵 🍊. #TheRedSleeve #LeeSeYoung #LeeJunHo.
But before diving into the scene, let’s just remember when it takes place. The 🍊scene is from ep 7 of #TheRedSleeve. As the young crown prince and the court lady interact we can already see their feelings growing for eo, but only San expressing them boldly #LeeJunHo #LeeSeYoung
In the ep 5 of #TheRedSleeve, aka the date at the bookstore, San shyly declared himself when he said «  were you swayed by me or was I swayed by you? » . But at this moment, Deok Im didn’t get the depth of his love for her. #LeeJunHo #LeeSeYoung
Read 18 tweets
Mar 3
Personal opinion: why do I think San & Deok Im met at 10 & 9 years old in the palace court? A thread 🧵 #TheRedSleeve #LeeSeYoung #LeeJunHo
Contrary to the novel #TheRedSleeve cuff, San and Deok Im didn’t meet at Yeong Bin funeral. There is no record about that #LeeJunHo #LeeSeYoung
The only fact precisely known is San’s proposal to Deok Im at 15 yo. Which is in the historical record #TheRedSleeve #LeeJunHo #LeeSeYoung
Read 6 tweets
Feb 23
Seong Deok Im ´s death : what historians say: a thread #TheRedSleeve #LeeSeYoung #LEEJUNHO
Deok Im died at 33 years old, 4 months after her son Mun Hyo, while she was in her last month of pregnancy. At that time, the average life expectancy for a concubine was 56 years old, 50 years for the queen #TheRedSleeve
Nobody can tell why Deok Im died at an early age. But there are several hypothesis #TheRedSleeve
Read 7 tweets
Feb 19
Why #TheRedSleeve ending is it so sad and barely bearable ? A thread #LeeJunHo #LeeSeYoung
In the ep 16 of #TheRedSleeve, San is forced to rush things and makes Deok Im his concubine. To protect her from Hwabin but also from Queen Dowager who manifest very strong possessiveness towards Deok Im. If the queen Dowager makes Deok Im his court lady maid, she can’t be his
Even if San is the king, he can’t bedded a court lady maid from an another royal member without her permission. In a way, these events forced them to move on with their relationship, the status quo can’t no longer exist #LeeSeYoung #LeeJunHo
Read 34 tweets
Feb 17
#LeeSeYoung ‘s MBTI : a thread ! Let’s dive into her personality 😉
A female ISTJ has several specific character traits. Let’s check if it suits to #LeeSeYoung.
Logistician (ISTJ) is someone with the Introverted, Observant, Thinking, and Judging personality traits.They tend to be reserved yet willful, with a rational outlook on life. They compose their actions carefully and carry them out with methodical purpose. It’s 13% of population
Read 14 tweets
Feb 14
Thread: my thought about #LeeJunHo and #LeeSeYoung’s chemistry in #TheRedSleeve Image
Warning ⚠️ ⛔️ : these tweets reflect my personal opinion. I have a huge respect for both #LeeSeYoung and #LeeJunHo as artists and as human beings. I’m sorry if some feel offended. It’s not the purpose. Just remember that everybody is entitled to its opinion.
Warning 2 ⚠️ ⛔️: I understand fans ship their bias bc they love them. I’m not comfortable with shipping bc the actors may already be in dating smb and it may hurt them and their partner. It’s also an indirect pression, that can affect the relationships of those are shipped by fan
Read 33 tweets

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features!

Become Premium

Don't want to be a Premium member but still want to support us?

Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal

Or Donate anonymously using crypto!

Ethereum

0xfe58350B80634f60Fa6Dc149a72b4DFbc17D341E copy

Bitcoin

3ATGMxNzCUFzxpMCHL5sWSt4DVtS8UqXpi copy

Thank you for your support!

Follow Us on Twitter!

:(