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I would like to dedicate this thread to @joelycett @RoyalFamily @10DowningStreet @BorisJohnson @trussliz but first and foremost to Josephine
Would I lie to you?
I would like to dedicate this thread to @joelycett @RoyalFamily @10DowningStreet @BorisJohnson @trussliz but first and foremost to Josephine
Would I lie to you?
Oh there's also this song
I would like to thank @JoeLycett for proving an inspiration
I was drafting this thread as a celebration for the coronation of Liz Truss as the People's Prime Minister
And I had several different approaches I was struggling to decide upon in how I started the thread
I was drafting this thread as a celebration for the coronation of Liz Truss as the People's Prime Minister
And I had several different approaches I was struggling to decide upon in how I started the thread
So there was a new sunday morning BBC show launching with twitter handle bbclaurak
"We are going to try and have more conversations than arguments"
"We will also sometimes have a bit of fun"
"We are going to try and have more conversations than arguments"
"We will also sometimes have a bit of fun"
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1566338233423781888
They sorted out their line-up and the advertising went out on social media
https://twitter.com/joelycett/status/1566098122513809408
Now maybe the BBC didn't know what they were booking
Which would be surprising given the body of work Joe Lycett has
theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2…
Which would be surprising given the body of work Joe Lycett has
theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2…
Also given
The first episode of Would I Lie to You?
The first episode of Would I Lie to You?
I would recommend giving the show page a follow 
So
Now during the show
Following the interview of @trussliz
Joe Lycett along with several other guests were invited to give their views on the interview
Now during the show
Following the interview of @trussliz
Joe Lycett along with several other guests were invited to give their views on the interview
https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/1566349321750171648
Now the format of the show Would I Lie to You? consists of several different style of rounds
wilty.fandom.com/wiki/Would_I_L…
wilty.fandom.com/wiki/Would_I_L…
So now we go to the reaction to Joe Lycett's words
Apparently Liz Truss' team were "incandescent"
Apparently Liz Truss' team were "incandescent"
"It's not the time for that nonsense anymore"
Implicit in that statement
Is that there is a time.
Pray tell @RobBurl - when is the correct time?
Implicit in that statement
Is that there is a time.
Pray tell @RobBurl - when is the correct time?
https://twitter.com/RobBurl/status/1566343319566819328
We have apparently gone from a nation who is “fed up with experts”
To a nation where unless you have an expert opinion ...
To a nation where unless you have an expert opinion ...
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1566369872363274241
Guido of course being:
“I still hate politicians. My contempt for them is undiminished.”
theguardian.com/media/2018/apr…
“I still hate politicians. My contempt for them is undiminished.”
theguardian.com/media/2018/apr…
Apparently Joe "sarcastically applauded"
and
he "mocked Liz Truss"
and
he "sarcastically applauded"
mirror.co.uk/news/politics/…
and
he "mocked Liz Truss"
and
he "sarcastically applauded"
mirror.co.uk/news/politics/…
Oh sorry my bad
That was the cabinet of Her Majesty's Government definitely not sarcastically chanting or mocking Boris Johnson
boris-johnson-lies.com/how-many-hospi…
That was the cabinet of Her Majesty's Government definitely not sarcastically chanting or mocking Boris Johnson
boris-johnson-lies.com/how-many-hospi…
Imagine Joe Lycett had said Liz Truss is a hero and I am going to put a framed picture of her in my home alongside Churchill, Boris alongside a union flag and a photo of Her Majesty in the corner.
Would that be mocking?
Would that be mocking?
https://mobile.twitter.com/markjenkinsonmp/status/1567022814581899266
There's even an American version of Would I Lie to You?
Now I am sure Liz Truss would not insult the show Would I Lie to You or the BBC
After all they provide so many things that are good exports that boost "open global Britain"
they are "lapping it up"
After all they provide so many things that are good exports that boost "open global Britain"
they are "lapping it up"
https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1179355790471249921
Imagine Liz Truss criticising the BBC
Why would she possibly do that?
What would she seek to gain by that?
Why would she possibly do that?
What would she seek to gain by that?
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1560711780111945729
So anyway back to Joe
Now I don't think he was mocking Liz Truss
I think he was demonstrating how to perform on the show Would I Lie to You?
Now I don't think he was mocking Liz Truss
I think he was demonstrating how to perform on the show Would I Lie to You?
So the question is.
If he was telling the truth.
Then he clearly is an enthusiastic Liz Truss supporter who clearly has been persuaded by the weight of Liz's arguments during the interview.
If he was telling the truth.
Then he clearly is an enthusiastic Liz Truss supporter who clearly has been persuaded by the weight of Liz's arguments during the interview.
The question is does anyone actually think he was telling the truth?
So the positive - all those who have watched or shared footage all have more in common.
They all agree Joe Lycett was lying.
So the positive - all those who have watched or shared footage all have more in common.
They all agree Joe Lycett was lying.
So I would like to thank Joe Lycett
He showed we have more in common
Whether you got “incandescent” at his words (eg Liz Truss’ team)
Or whether you laughed at them and found them quite a reflection on politicians or on the format of political TV shows
You knew he was lying
He showed we have more in common
Whether you got “incandescent” at his words (eg Liz Truss’ team)
Or whether you laughed at them and found them quite a reflection on politicians or on the format of political TV shows
You knew he was lying
So I want to focus on two things
Identification and Response
How did you spot it was a lie?
Identification and Response
How did you spot it was a lie?
With democracies around the world threatened by the seemingly unstoppable onslaught of false information, Finland – recently rated Europe’s most resistant nation to fake news – takes the fight seriously enough to teach it in primary school.
theguardian.com/world/2020/jan…
theguardian.com/world/2020/jan…
No, not that Kipling
"I keep six honest serving-men
(They taught me all I knew);
Their names are What and Why and When
And How and Where and Who."
"I keep six honest serving-men
(They taught me all I knew);
Their names are What and Why and When
And How and Where and Who."
So to set out those 6
1. Who
Who lied?
Who was the target of their lie?
1. Who
Who lied?
Who was the target of their lie?
2. What
What did they lie about?
What did you do to identify it as a lie?
What was your reaction to the lie?
What did they lie about?
What did you do to identify it as a lie?
What was your reaction to the lie?
3. Where
Where did the person lie to you from?
To your face in person
By phone
By writing
By broadcast
On social media
Did these involve the use of a specific location or means to provide "weight" to their lie?
Where did the person lie to you from?
To your face in person
By phone
By writing
By broadcast
On social media
Did these involve the use of a specific location or means to provide "weight" to their lie?
4. When
When did they lie?
Was the timing of that lie important, accidental or deliberate, calculated for effect?
Was it just the once or more than once?
When did they lie?
Was the timing of that lie important, accidental or deliberate, calculated for effect?
Was it just the once or more than once?
5. Why
Why did they lie to you?
Why did you choose to react to the lie in the way you did?
Why did they lie to you?
Why did you choose to react to the lie in the way you did?
6. How
How did it make you feel?
How did it make you feel?
So I am going to give you my answer to question 6
I am angry
I am insulted
I am offended
Not just at the lies
But the fact they are such pathetic lies
They are not even well constructed lies
I am angry
I am insulted
I am offended
Not just at the lies
But the fact they are such pathetic lies
They are not even well constructed lies
Now there are lots of guides that try and categorise liars
The range of categories varies between 5,6,7,8
sociopathic
pathological
compulsive
occasional
careless
narcissistic
habitual
pathetic
and white liar
The range of categories varies between 5,6,7,8
sociopathic
pathological
compulsive
occasional
careless
narcissistic
habitual
pathetic
and white liar
some even get up to 20 categories
Compulsive
Occasional
Careless
White
Sociopathic
Pathological
Professional
Natural
Frequent
Dramatic
Misunderstood
Forgetful
Fantasy
Liar deaf pillar
White
Lazy
Impressive
Protective
Manipulative
Self-liar
Compulsive
Occasional
Careless
White
Sociopathic
Pathological
Professional
Natural
Frequent
Dramatic
Misunderstood
Forgetful
Fantasy
Liar deaf pillar
White
Lazy
Impressive
Protective
Manipulative
Self-liar
So now I am going to segue from Joe Lycett
To Margaret Thatcher
But first
Just to make clear to @StanleyJohnson
I know how to spell Pinocchio
To Margaret Thatcher
But first
Just to make clear to @StanleyJohnson
I know how to spell Pinocchio
But even if I did not know how to spell Pinocchio
That would not remove my right to query, criticise and challenge my representatives and to scrutinise their WORDS and ACTIONS
That would not remove my right to query, criticise and challenge my representatives and to scrutinise their WORDS and ACTIONS
So to Margaret Thatcher
And an interview she gave to BBC Newsround
margaretthatcher.org/document/105071
And an interview she gave to BBC Newsround
margaretthatcher.org/document/105071
Now I go to the BBC
Yes that institution Liz Truss hates
And Desert Island Discs
Yes that institution Liz Truss hates
And Desert Island Discs
"Bob Newhart was an American comedian, whose comic monologue on Walter Raleigh MT chose as one of her eight selections for Desert Island Discs on 1 Feb 1978. Bob Newhart heard she had used it and wrote her a warm letter."
margaretthatcher.org/document/112281
margaretthatcher.org/document/112281
And a letter between a comedian and a Prime Minister
Now she is in good company at liking Bob Newhart
A comedian who performed for Presidents
Comedic legend Bob Newhart performs for Presidents John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower during "An American Pageant of the Arts," on November 29, 1962.
kennedy-center.org/video/center/o…
A comedian who performed for Presidents
Comedic legend Bob Newhart performs for Presidents John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower during "An American Pageant of the Arts," on November 29, 1962.
kennedy-center.org/video/center/o…
A short version of his sketch at
Anyway enough about tobacco
After all as Boris says
"Never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes, look at wage growth." ..
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25239649/
After all as Boris says
"Never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes, look at wage growth." ..
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25239649/
so
now we turn to the main matter at hand
now we turn to the main matter at hand
https://twitter.com/KentBylines/status/1560678543428046848
no not sewage
but a torrent
a swarm
a tidal wave
of lies
but a torrent
a swarm
a tidal wave
of lies
Margaret Thatcher once said
"The manner of winning is a matter of honour"
I would disagree.
How you win or lose and what you do in either circumstance is a matter of honour.
"The manner of winning is a matter of honour"
I would disagree.
How you win or lose and what you do in either circumstance is a matter of honour.
Margaret Thatcher also many many decades ago wrote this
"What’s wrong with politics?"
And came to the conclusion:
“People have come to doubt the future of the democratic system & its institutions. They distrust the politicians & have little faith in the future.”
"What’s wrong with politics?"
And came to the conclusion:
“People have come to doubt the future of the democratic system & its institutions. They distrust the politicians & have little faith in the future.”
So a simple question
Does trust matter?
Does trust matter?
% UK population who see politicians as “out for themselves”
1944 35%
2014 48%
2021 63%
ippr.org/news-and-media…
1944 35%
2014 48%
2021 63%
ippr.org/news-and-media…
"While exposure to social media did not affect trustworthiness in our experiment, it significantly affected trust behavior, beyond mere attitudes. Moreover, those effects were magnified when users were engaged and sharing messages with others. "
blogs.iadb.org/ideas-matter/e…
blogs.iadb.org/ideas-matter/e…
At the end of day
Lies are nothing new
See "Honest Abe" who saw nothing wrong using the letters pages of his local newspaper to impersonate and smear an opponent
smithsonianmag.com/history/honest…
Lies are nothing new
See "Honest Abe" who saw nothing wrong using the letters pages of his local newspaper to impersonate and smear an opponent
smithsonianmag.com/history/honest…
Trust in Government MATTERS
This from 2019
"During the rapid spread of Ebola in Liberia, low trust in government turned the epidemic from a health crisis into a governance crisis. "
scholars.org/contribution/w…
This from 2019
"During the rapid spread of Ebola in Liberia, low trust in government turned the epidemic from a health crisis into a governance crisis. "
scholars.org/contribution/w…
"In handling any crisis, it is absolutely crucial to retain credibility. Giving false reassurance is the worst thing one can do.... almost as bad as outright lying is holding information so closely that people think officials know more than they say."
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22148/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22148/
Not worry
January 2020: Matt Hancock said we were well prepared
March 2020: NHS England that a good pandemic would be 20,000 dead
Its 2022
We have over 200,000
And a man, his government and party want to tell you they got "the big calls right"
January 2020: Matt Hancock said we were well prepared
March 2020: NHS England that a good pandemic would be 20,000 dead
Its 2022
We have over 200,000
And a man, his government and party want to tell you they got "the big calls right"
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1389904419689582592
If you swallow the lie of "he got the big calls right"
Jesus H. Fucking Christ.
Just stop.
Give your head a wobble.
Jesus H. Fucking Christ.
Just stop.
Give your head a wobble.
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1340988404490788864
Sorry
I let some of my "incandescence" out
I let some of my "incandescence" out
So
I am not going to focus on David Cameron
I am not even going to focus on Theresa May
I am not going to focus on David Cameron
I am not even going to focus on Theresa May
Then she actually denies her OWN words
I find this sentence fascinating
"The home secretary said there was "no ducking the fact" that police funding will be reduced over the next parliament"
Narrator: Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling did duck it prior to the 2010 General Election
"The home secretary said there was "no ducking the fact" that police funding will be reduced over the next parliament"
Narrator: Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling did duck it prior to the 2010 General Election
Now imagine a Home Secretary who blocked her local Police Federation for warning of the consequences of cuts
independent.co.uk/news/uk/politi…
independent.co.uk/news/uk/politi…
Anyway sorry
I don't want to talk about Theresa
I don't want to talk about Theresa
Instead I want to talk about the outgoing PM
And the incoming PM
And the incoming PM
On today of all days
As one goes to have his last audience with Her Majesty
And one goes to have her first audience with Her Majesty
I do hope Liz doesn't say anything "controversialist"
And that she curtsies deeply enough
As one goes to have his last audience with Her Majesty
And one goes to have her first audience with Her Majesty
I do hope Liz doesn't say anything "controversialist"
And that she curtsies deeply enough
So as I illustrated with the sewage outflow
There are so so many lies to choose from
For Boris
boris-johnson-lies.com
There are so so many lies to choose from
For Boris
boris-johnson-lies.com
I am going to restrict my choice
To just 4
1. A lie to Elizabeth
2. A lie to Josephine
3. On a plan for brexit
4. On a plan for a cost of living/energy crisis
To just 4
1. A lie to Elizabeth
2. A lie to Josephine
3. On a plan for brexit
4. On a plan for a cost of living/energy crisis
So first of all
We start with a lie to Her Majesty the Queen
And we go to two interviews with Liz
No not Her Majesty
But Liz Truss
We start with a lie to Her Majesty the Queen
And we go to two interviews with Liz
No not Her Majesty
But Liz Truss
Interview 1: 26th June 2019
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1144004341092585472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Now I have so many questions
here is the side by side transcripts
here is the side by side transcripts
But the simple point
Boris Johnson and Her Majesty's Government
LIED to Her Majesty the Queen
To unlawfully prorogue Parliament
Boris Johnson and Her Majesty's Government
LIED to Her Majesty the Queen
To unlawfully prorogue Parliament
What I am fascinated in is in how Liz disassembles between those two interviews
How she is unable to admit any knowledge of how precisely the government will achieve its outcome.
And how even when prompted that other cabinet ministers do know. She DOES nothing.
How she is unable to admit any knowledge of how precisely the government will achieve its outcome.
And how even when prompted that other cabinet ministers do know. She DOES nothing.
To be fair to Liz she's not the only one who did nothing
Hancock referred to war veterans saying that proroguing parliament would go against “everything that those men who waded on to those beaches fought and died for”, adding: “And I will not have it.”
Narrator: he did have it
theguardian.com/politics/2019/…
Narrator: he did have it
theguardian.com/politics/2019/…
I am going to go back to the words of Margaret Thatcher again
And now
And those who enabled lying to Her Majesty
Shamelessly put her portrait on their wall as they exhalt their own leader or at the jubilee
And deny recorded history
And those who enabled lying to Her Majesty
Shamelessly put her portrait on their wall as they exhalt their own leader or at the jubilee
And deny recorded history
https://twitter.com/danielmgmoylan/status/1557079235528990720
On 28 October 2019, EU Ambassadors agreed a further Brexit extension to 31 January 2020.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brief…
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brief…
To end this section with some words from Callaghan and Thatcher
On the occasion of Her Majesty's Silver Jubilee
hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1977-0…
On the occasion of Her Majesty's Silver Jubilee
hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1977-0…
May I quote one of the best and most human tributes to Her Majesty by Sir John Colville in his book "The Elizabethans":
"In an age of melting convictions and questionable needs the Queen's unassuming virtues and faultless example have stood out like a rock in a sea of troubles."
"In an age of melting convictions and questionable needs the Queen's unassuming virtues and faultless example have stood out like a rock in a sea of troubles."
You know what is sad
Is that at some point Her Majesty the Queen will pass away
And Conservative politicians will shamelessly talk of her duty, service and integrity
When they have none.
Is that at some point Her Majesty the Queen will pass away
And Conservative politicians will shamelessly talk of her duty, service and integrity
When they have none.
On the positive
At least to halt the operation of the legislature
Conservatives ONLY had to lie to Her Majesty the Queen and break the law
And not incite a mob to storm the doors of Parliament and attempt to lynch people
At least to halt the operation of the legislature
Conservatives ONLY had to lie to Her Majesty the Queen and break the law
And not incite a mob to storm the doors of Parliament and attempt to lynch people
For those that say Boris is not as bad as Donald
He is worse
He SUCCEEDED
Donald failed
He is worse
He SUCCEEDED
Donald failed
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1348593396005351424
So just as a reminder
Here's the coronavirus memorial wall
Here's the coronavirus memorial wall
Imagine a PM who dodged meeting bereaved relatives
AND who visited the covid memorial wall under cover of darkness
independent.co.uk/news/uk/politi…
AND who visited the covid memorial wall under cover of darkness
independent.co.uk/news/uk/politi…
So
Imagine you were Josephine
How would you feel if the Prime Minister of your nation
Wrote you such a letter
And then it was revealed
That not only had he had 1 party breaking the law during lockdown
But multiple
How would you FUCKING FEEL?
Imagine you were Josephine
How would you feel if the Prime Minister of your nation
Wrote you such a letter
And then it was revealed
That not only had he had 1 party breaking the law during lockdown
But multiple
How would you FUCKING FEEL?
Oh and ALSO partied whilst Her Majesty the Queen was mourning her husband
Here's a FUCKING word map of the utter fucking shite that was trotted out by Boris Johnson, Number 10 and Conservatives to deflect and deny what he and they did
Oh here's a thread on Liverpool
Boris Johson and his party aren't fucking fit to polish the shoes of people in Liverpool
Or indeed elsewhere
Boris Johson and his party aren't fucking fit to polish the shoes of people in Liverpool
Or indeed elsewhere
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1529840880005308416
Oh yes and going back to Joe Lycett
He abandoned a filming of a christmas TV show
Because of the risks and concerns HE HAD for staff working on it
dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/arti…
He abandoned a filming of a christmas TV show
Because of the risks and concerns HE HAD for staff working on it
dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/arti…
Oh and Liz Truss
Her deflection from #Partygate
"Liz Truss said she was not able to define what a party was, after reports of various Downing Street parties 12 months ago in lockdown."
Just imagine how pitiful that is
Her deflection from #Partygate
"Liz Truss said she was not able to define what a party was, after reports of various Downing Street parties 12 months ago in lockdown."
Just imagine how pitiful that is
Oh yes and on parties
She seemed to enjoy a party last night
She seemed to enjoy a party last night
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1566850399176458244
Not to worry though
Liz knows the difference between right and wrong*
*except when she cannot define it
Liz knows the difference between right and wrong*
*except when she cannot define it
3. A plan (brexit)
14th June 2016 Daily Telegraph
"To that end, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, the two leading figures in the Leave campaign, have drawn up a blueprint for implementing a Brexit. Sensibly, it calls for flexibility and a period of reflection."
14th June 2016 Daily Telegraph
"To that end, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, the two leading figures in the Leave campaign, have drawn up a blueprint for implementing a Brexit. Sensibly, it calls for flexibility and a period of reflection."
Where is it?
Was it accidentally deleted when @GiselaStuart deleted Vote Leave's servers?
Was it accidentally deleted when @GiselaStuart deleted Vote Leave's servers?
https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/1468996119585869830?lang=en-GB
Just a reminder
We have a plan
We hold all the cards
They need us more than we need them
We have no liabilities
Our liabilities buy us a deal
Many solutions to NI border
The sunlit uplands
It will be better
We have a plan
We hold all the cards
They need us more than we need them
We have no liabilities
Our liabilities buy us a deal
Many solutions to NI border
The sunlit uplands
It will be better
There was no plan
We didn't hold all the cards
They didn't need us more than we need them
Our liabilities were > £40bn and had to be paid
A border in the Irish Sea no unionist could support
We didn't hold all the cards
They didn't need us more than we need them
Our liabilities were > £40bn and had to be paid
A border in the Irish Sea no unionist could support
And on that fucking red bus
It was a fucking lie
Deliberately designed
And when challenged on it
Jacob Rees Mogg has no difficulty in lying to the faces of his constituents
It was a fucking lie
Deliberately designed
And when challenged on it
Jacob Rees Mogg has no difficulty in lying to the faces of his constituents
4. on a plan for an energy/cost of living crisis
So Liz Truss and her team said they were unable to define what their plan was because they did not have access to the relevant information from HM Treasury
So Liz Truss and her team said they were unable to define what their plan was because they did not have access to the relevant information from HM Treasury
The Truss campaign, which is under mounting pressure to unveil details of a package of support, claimed she is not able, or prepared, to set out any concrete announcements until “she has been able to look at all the information and data available”.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/…
inews.co.uk/news/politics/…
That’s weird because Rishi said he had a plan
And he had no access to those treasury documents
As when he resigned he lost said access
Unless you are telling me Rishi Sunak was illegally accessing HM Treasury documents?
And he had no access to those treasury documents
As when he resigned he lost said access
Unless you are telling me Rishi Sunak was illegally accessing HM Treasury documents?
Now apparently since lunchtime yesterday AND before being appointed PM by Her Majesty and having a Treasury team appointed and looking at "all the information and data"
And having lost yesterday evening partying
Has found a plan
And having lost yesterday evening partying
Has found a plan
https://mobile.twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1566938205076832256
So apparently this is what "fair" looks like
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1562923188039946240
To end with a short
Liz Truss is no better than Boris Johnson
She is a liar
Worse
She actually counts it as POSITIVE when she lies to you
Whereas Boris Johnson was just being "intellectually honest with himself"
Liz Truss is no better than Boris Johnson
She is a liar
Worse
She actually counts it as POSITIVE when she lies to you
Whereas Boris Johnson was just being "intellectually honest with himself"
So to end with two threads
One on the outgoing PM
One on the outgoing PM
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1518198956924321792
And one on the incoming one
Brace. Brace. Brace.
Brace. Brace. Brace.
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1563146411210076164
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