Next :: Claude Guerin. Covid v non covid and NIV. #LIVES2022#ventilation#NIV@ESICM summarising risk factors for NIV failure - old age, multi organ failure etc. then diving straight into “Happy Hypoxemia”.
Re-visiting H and L phenotypes. Silent or happy hypoxemia. So best to proceed by undertaking in depth literature search
But the evidence tends to suggest covid has higher mortality and is also v heterogeneous.
Contrasting with another classic lung safe study. Left graph non covid and right is covid. NIV group annotated. In comparison mortality is comparable at 40% and higher than with invasive.
Let’s look at “intubation”. NIV is tested here with high flow. No effect of NIV versus hfnc n covid and non covid to prevent intubation. NOTE. Significant heterogeneity. BUT. NIV better than SOR to prevent intubation
Just to note on mortality here .
But the new evidence not included in the meta analysis is HELMET NIV. In summary : rate of intubation is v similar between cov and non cov. NIC both cov or non covid prevented intubation without significant effect in mortality. So effectively :: NIV is NIV whatever the aetiology
Mariangela PELLEGRINI
Uppsala- Sweden
"Do we Need a biological definition of ARDS"
- Berlin definition has NO Diffuse alveolar damage .
- the Berlin defn does not capture well
Frohlich - different definitions specificity of 0.63, 0.42, 0.31 even! #ventilation#ards#LIVES2022
ARDS - new definition or phenotypes by @GicoBellani refreshing with Kigali definition of ARDS - useful not just low resource but during pandemic in supposedly high income settings and only draw back is no PEEp requirement #ards#ventilation#LIVES2022@ESICM
@GicoBellani@ESICM Resolved versus confirmed ARDS
- prospectively applying Berlin definition did work but if ya wait 24 hrs and re-measure P/F ratio, you end up stratifying much better.
- Better separation of groups
NEXT Speaker : VA ecmo for which patients?
Alain COMBES
Severe cardiogenic shock has different phenotypes 1. medical cardiogenic shock(AMI, end stage dilated CM, myocarditis, septic shock) 2. Post cardiotomy refractory CS (post CABG) #LIVES2022 @ESICM#ecmo#resuscitation#ALS
@ESICM 2022 what do the guidelines say
- ESC recommends short term MCS should be considred in cardiogenic shock.
IABP may be considered but not routinely recommended in post MI #LIVES2022