Third question :: GIACOMO Grasselli. “What interface should we use ?” The goal of using NIV is offload Resp muscles. Most patients use mouth to breathe.
Again bringing back the classic Greico ICM 2021 review article on NIV. Helmet - why does it tend to work ? May be asynchronic pressure swings providing asynchronous support. So “IS HELMET better tolerated “?
In summary , helmet seems to have some benefit. Helmet also makes v difficult to measure tidal volume for patient. There’s a lot we still don’t know about NIV. @DrLeoHeunks is it because helmet allow apply higher leaves of PEEP for longer and thus reducing respiratory effort ?
Ans : probably combination of higher levels of PEEP and longer periods of it. Next Q : if there are + ground glass changes in CT vs consolidation then generally may be helmet NIV is more beneficial. 🤔 but the KEY reminder : to offload Resp muscles and not to recruit more alveoli
Mariangela PELLEGRINI
Uppsala- Sweden
"Do we Need a biological definition of ARDS"
- Berlin definition has NO Diffuse alveolar damage .
- the Berlin defn does not capture well
Frohlich - different definitions specificity of 0.63, 0.42, 0.31 even! #ventilation#ards#LIVES2022
ARDS - new definition or phenotypes by @GicoBellani refreshing with Kigali definition of ARDS - useful not just low resource but during pandemic in supposedly high income settings and only draw back is no PEEp requirement #ards#ventilation#LIVES2022@ESICM
@GicoBellani@ESICM Resolved versus confirmed ARDS
- prospectively applying Berlin definition did work but if ya wait 24 hrs and re-measure P/F ratio, you end up stratifying much better.
- Better separation of groups
NEXT Speaker : VA ecmo for which patients?
Alain COMBES
Severe cardiogenic shock has different phenotypes 1. medical cardiogenic shock(AMI, end stage dilated CM, myocarditis, septic shock) 2. Post cardiotomy refractory CS (post CABG) #LIVES2022 @ESICM#ecmo#resuscitation#ALS
@ESICM 2022 what do the guidelines say
- ESC recommends short term MCS should be considred in cardiogenic shock.
IABP may be considered but not routinely recommended in post MI #LIVES2022