Citing earlier Bos article of plasma biomarkers used in cluster analysis.
- interestingly these biomarker identification matches with mechanically ventilated patients. atsjournals.org/doi/10.1164/rc…
Now, what about we look at distinct phenotypes clinical or biological
Using Latent Class Phenotypes
- "hyper-inflam" phenotype consistently worse outcomes
- latent phenotypes appear to respond differently.
- you can see the nice sepeartion of those latent classes here >
What about we can use data driven phenotype in COVID. whether these will overlap with pre covid.
Mariangela PELLEGRINI
Uppsala- Sweden
"Do we Need a biological definition of ARDS"
- Berlin definition has NO Diffuse alveolar damage .
- the Berlin defn does not capture well
Frohlich - different definitions specificity of 0.63, 0.42, 0.31 even! #ventilation#ards#LIVES2022
ARDS - new definition or phenotypes by @GicoBellani refreshing with Kigali definition of ARDS - useful not just low resource but during pandemic in supposedly high income settings and only draw back is no PEEp requirement #ards#ventilation#LIVES2022@ESICM
@GicoBellani@ESICM Resolved versus confirmed ARDS
- prospectively applying Berlin definition did work but if ya wait 24 hrs and re-measure P/F ratio, you end up stratifying much better.
- Better separation of groups
NEXT Speaker : VA ecmo for which patients?
Alain COMBES
Severe cardiogenic shock has different phenotypes 1. medical cardiogenic shock(AMI, end stage dilated CM, myocarditis, septic shock) 2. Post cardiotomy refractory CS (post CABG) #LIVES2022 @ESICM#ecmo#resuscitation#ALS
@ESICM 2022 what do the guidelines say
- ESC recommends short term MCS should be considred in cardiogenic shock.
IABP may be considered but not routinely recommended in post MI #LIVES2022
@ESICM PARAMEDIC 2 - big study
8007 pts, adrenaline 4000, placebo 3999
- a lot of discussion post trial
- need a nuanced interpretation.
- 19 "more good" survivors and 5 "more bad" survivors in adrenaline arm.