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Dec 12 46 tweets 16 min read
@TGAgovau ran an inquiry into #nicotine #vaping. One of the questions was:
"In your opinion, will a requirement for a prescription help reduce uptake of nicotine delivery products such as nicotine e-cigarettes among youth?"
The phrase 'black market' ..
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.. was mentioned in 194 of those submissions.

Herein is a thread of some of those submissions warning of a #BlackMarket willing to sell to anyone.
No age checks there!
Jody Michael Crowe: "Youth will likely turn to the black market"
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Steve Douglas: "..the disposable e-cigarettes youth use are not bought in vape shops, they are acquired on the black market, Instagram, Snapchat, etc, or from unscrupulous tobacconists.."
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Alice Keenan: "If they want, they'll head to the black market."
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Dr Ewa Z Huebner: "Delegalising nicotine liquids as consumer products will give boost the black market, which will gladly supply everyone, including youth."
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Eamon Starret:"No, like alcohol, tobacco and other drugs young people will access anything they want through the black market."
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Sebastian Perrone: "NO. It will only help create a black market for vaping products and DIY alternatives that are far more dangerous for both kids and adults."consultations.tga.gov.au/tga/copy-of-co…
Samantha Barrat: "NOT IT WILL NOT. Nicotine e-liquids will still be available on the black market with no regulations. Youth will experiment with cigarettes, alcohol, and marijuana." consultations.tga.gov.au/tga/copy-of-co…
Souad: "It would only lead to them trying to obtain it through the black market"
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Nicholas Milanese: "no if they want the nicotine they will get via other methods, this will just create a black market for youth."
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Danielle Nunn: "No they will get it if they wanted it. Black Market will start for it then"
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Shae Tarlinton: "Nonas I stated before, drugs are illegal and alcoholic drinks are 18+ and that doesn't stop youth, they will find a way and that will be the black market, then who knows what's added, youth will be put at more risk if it is not made legal"
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Chelsea Cullen: "No! They will just smoke combustible cigarettes or find black market alternatives."
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Shayne Troxler: "No. Kids are going to obtain and try things regardless of how they are obtained. A certain percentage try illicit drugs every day. And they are not available legally to anyone. All this will do is created a black market and .."
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Ron Kerr: "My personal view is there is always someone willing to sell illegal products to our youth and not enough people or resources to stop them I think by making it a prescription will only strengthen the black market"
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Susan Hunt: "No i don’t believe it will do anything, but to drive youth to the black market and god knows what they will be smoking/vaping then."
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Jenni Farrell: "No. Young people have always been able to access cigarettes and will continue to access vaping products through the black market."
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Lynda: "No not at all youth will find away no matter what!!! Expect a big black market if this happens"
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David Burns: "I believe regulating this market as proposed will encourage a ''black market'' that will enable greater access to the these products amongst youth."
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Arabella Gaze: "No - the requirement for a prescription will just generate a black market, which kids will tap into if they so wish. Requiring a prescription is not a deterrent as they system will fail from day one."
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Christian Hanghofer: "No at all. We have all been young. The old saying were there's a will there's a way. That will just create a large black market problem."
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Sean J. Hamilton: "No. I am proof that if not for nicotine liquid, then youth will simply revert to freely available cigarettes smoking. Or a black market source. A far worse scenario, regardless of age group."
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Elliot Metcalf: "No, it will serve to create a black market, which will only create a status amplifier for youth."
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Andrew Brooking: "Not really. We have no sales to under 18s and they can still get them . The black market will always respond to demand. This is where the biggest problem lias"
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Ben Mclean: "No. This will only make it worse as youth will see it as an act of rebellion to be able to get it on the black market. I don’t see how you don’t get this."
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Steven John Sinclair: "No it will not they will purchase on the black market if need be."
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Steven Davis: "It's more likely it will drive them towards purchasing these products on the black market, or smoking instead."
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Stacy Matthews: "no they will go to the black market and it will sore your crime rate"
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Sujay Tiwari: "No, not at all. Considering how many things are illegal but youths can find them in black markets so easily, this will have no impact on youths smoking but encourage black markets to operate unregulated."
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Thomas James Abbott-Young: "No. They will just go to the black market that these laws will create that won’t exist until these laws are enacted."
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Terry Church: "Youth aren't allowed in vape stores. Black markets will provide unsafe alternatives, so, no."
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Matthew McDonald: "The biggest issue is that making it prescription only will likely result in a black market for nicotine meaning no co trip over quality or safety. And kids will be kids, .."
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Mary-Anne Deacon: "If this ban goes ahead then there will be many more teenagers who will either turn to smoking or the black market."
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Dan Jackson: ".. Many of us former smokers have been smoking from such a young age, often 10 or 11, for older Australians, that limiting repeats to a set time frame will lead users back to cigarettes. Or the black market."
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Alec Winters: "No. .. it will create a black market in schools and remove controls."
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Matt Raines: "No, making a certain substance or product illegal will make it more appealing to youth, not the latter and with all illegal substances there will always be a black market supply that will never be able to be completely stopped."
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William Loneskie: "It may do or youth will obtain nicotine from adults as they do now with cigarettes! It will also turn adults to black market means of obtaining nicotine from freely available sources- turning people into criminals."
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Bill-Joe Fox: "No it won't youth will always find a way to get e cigarettes and normal cigarettes. Wether it be from stealing or the black market ."
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Maria Bromwich: "No. They will either start smoking cigarettes or buy from ‘black market’ sellers, which will no doubt appear, with inferior and possibly dangerous products."
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Randy Ryan: "It will but black market and associate help will not eliminate it. It is already much easier for youth to obtain alcohol or tobacco than it is a vaping setup."
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Kaushal Sharma: "No, it will not change anything. If anything, it will create a black market and like every ban, entice youth to try vaping because it's banned and illegal."
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Stuart Bowerman: "Australia does not have a youth uptake of vaping. If a requirement is needed to have a prescription, it will just push nicotine underground and available on the black market."
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Daniel Bower: "No it probably won't help because if they can't get there hand on it legally they will probably goto the black market to get home made nicotine instead, where God knows what in it."
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I will close the thread here but could have gone on much longer given the clarity with which respondents forewarned the @TGAgovau, @healthgovau, and @ausgov of the impending boom in the #BlackMarket #nicotine #vaping products.

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