Thread by @The280Times

It's #HUMA Time !
"Line by line, Clause by Clause Part II"
December 13th 2022
Scheduled to start in 3 minutes from time of tweet send. Watch here: parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en/Pow…
(may lag at points in my live tweeting, but I'll be back) (#CanadaDisabilityBenefit) 1/
(Thread start)

#C22 #CDBby23 #ODSP #ODSPoverty - Huma thread. description above, continues below. 2/

Two legislative / Legal clerks are expected, I'll refer to them in simple or generalized terms for the purposes of speed.

Krista Wilcox & Mausumi Banerjee are scheduled to appear as technical (gov) witnesses / aids much like how Alexis Conrad & Ms Wilcox did last meet. 3/

Meeting has started about 10 minutes late.
Chair is reading the standard start up rules 4/

MP Chabot requests a mid-meeting break as it is a 3 hour tour.

Wilcox is providing an answer from last session.
2015 survey by someone (valid)
Most cases of garnishing would disproportionately benefit women (96% of cases) and create a hardship to disabled men.
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Starting off on Clause 11 - NDP5 ((a bad one in my option))

MP Chabot starts the conversation..
BQ recevied 29 letters following the last meeting that NDP5 would do harm !
((Well Done !!!))

Sounds like Chabot wants to do it regardless..
citing worst case scenarios.
($1 CDB)

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MP Chabot defending NDP5 Sub Amendment.
(((They need to make it better then 160 days or whatever it is though.. THAT is harmful)))

Says this is a fundamental amendment.
((fuck me))

Vote on Chabot's Sub-Amendment on NDP5
(not sure what the sub did)

Vote results : Sub Fail
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MP Bonita is requesting to withdraw NDP5 as requested !!!!
(Chef's kisses)

Confirmed NDP5 Withdrawn !
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MP Chabot speaking on BQ1 Amendment

Amount, criteria and eligibility -changes- to go through the house of commons ..

(this should be ok, because it's just changes and no listed long ass time frame)

Vote in progress (lots of abstains from last vote and this) : BQ1 fails
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MP Gray speaking on CPC2 Amendment.

Wants to add after line 3 page six, new clause.
Report to all houses within 10 months after in force, Carla must provide (essentially all reg) have the benefit completed.

MP Gray chastising how long CDB is taking.
CPC2 vote: 5 to 6 fail 10/

MP Bonita speaking on NDP6:

NDP6 - page 3 line 6.
within 6 months after force,
table report on how community has and will be engaged on the creation of regulations.

MP Van Bynen requesting to make Sub.
"within 1 year, Carla must create a report on progress"

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Yikes !
One year just to get a report on how it's going ?
Not a fan of that sub-amendment.

Not everyone has it in writing,
being transmitted.
HUMA Paused.
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Observation thus far - No visual sign of MP Morrice.

HUMA unpaused.

MP Gray Chastising that it is just a progress report and no obligation to move their asses. (Thank you !)
calls it concerning.
(Yes, It is !)

Cites they've had WELL over a year.
calls it surprising..
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MP Bonita says she'll have an amendment later to address some of this.

MP Chabot says she's disappointed that the LPC wants to essentially punt this whole damn thing down a year, BACK to HUMA.

(also not happy its all in regulation)

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Carla's sock puppet MP Kusmierczyk is all happy with both the 6 month consult on consults and the 1 year punt. ((Bloody Hell))

Says he'll support.

MP Chabot not happy still.

NP6 SUB-Amendment - ((fuck))
Result : damn it. it passed.
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MP Gray wishing they had passed the CPC amendment as well / instead. says this is a lot weaker ((which I agree with))

Voting on NDP6 (Amended version)
Result : with a big rubber hose, fuck me it passed.
6 month check in.. 1 year check in.. no end date.
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Moving to PV9
MP Morrice is back (yay !)

PV9 - requests diverse consult / co-creation with a range of backgrounds.

PV9 Vote : Passes
((note : still upset that the amended NDP6 passed, this just gives Carla a ticket to wack off in a corner))
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Back to Clause 9 -
Amendment CPC1.

Chair gave a talk which resumed the confusion on CPC1 lol.

CPC1 - CDB cannot be recovered in whole or part (garnishing / clawbacks / recovery confusion from last time)

This only addresses Federally run programs.
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MP Gray continues explaining on CPC1, that provincial aspects in this regard ((garnishing / clawbacks / recovery) would need to be dealt with at the table when negotiated.

Vote on CPC1 - Defeated.
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MP Morrice - PV5.
no details, says it's just impossible to accomplish.
Withdrawing PV5.

PV5 Withdrawn.
Clause 9 Complete,

Moving to Clause 12.

Amendment CPC3 by MP Gray.

reviews as soon as possible on first and third anniversary

CPC3 will block other planned amendments. 20/

Carla's Sock puppet Irek and Bonita seem happy with CPC3.

CPC3 carries and passes.

PV10 and NDP7 are killed without reading.

Clause 13 Carries
Clause 14 - NDP Amendment NDP8 by MP Bonita
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NDP8 kills another PV and another Liberal Amendment.

NDP8 adjusts the timeline.. that the bill comes into force within 1 year of royal. (..i think, this sets a 1 year dead line)

MP Chabot raising her hands in the air and saying "fuck all this" (but not in those words) 22/

MP Gray Unhappy that it's a 1 year timeline and not faster.

MP Morrice requesting any HUMA MP make a sub amendment which makes sense to change the wording slightly, so that this amendment can be a deadline but not a roadblock.. or something. sounds good.. they've HUMA paused 23/

BQ, NDP & CPC are generally unhappy with things looking like it'll take a full year for this to be out the door, they want it faster.

My brain has caught up, MP Morrice is requesting Sub-Amend wording of "no later than" instead of previous wording, to hopefully speed it up. 24/

The in progress light has turned green, but we have no visual or audio back. just the green screen..

here we go.. we're back.

MP Gray thanking MP Morrice,
and is moving the sub amendment that MP Morrice is suggesting.

instead of "on" it would be "no later than"
(Good !) 25/

this act comes into force on the anniversary of the day in which it receives accent.

to

this act comes into force no later than the anniversary of the day in which it receives accent.
(MP Gray nearly took the "the" out lol ;P)

NDP8 Sub: Passed 26/

((I think this was a good change - i think this deadlines it so they have to start paying within 1 year of accent))

NDP8 amended : 11-0 passes.

Clause 14 passes.

Pre-amble.
PV12 by MP Morrice 27/

PV12 - attempting to remove working age.

citing that disabilities don't vanish after 65,
neither should the help which the CDB would provide.

Chair about to kill it again..
MP Chabot wondering why we're engaging this again, seems the same.

Chair killing it as i type. 28/

PV12 dead.

PV13.
MP Morrice.
(knowing it'll be killed but trying again)

Recognizing aspects of CRPD
(complicated wording i'll have to get back to)

Chair surprising MP Morrice by calling a vote instead of killing it. Vote in progress - Vote Fail. 29/

PV14 MP Morrice.
attempting to adjust the pre-amble again,
pairs with PV9 for enhanced consult.

Going directly to vote.
Vote Fail 30/

Preamble Carries.
Short Title Carries.

Title Carries.

The Bill actual, as amended Carries.

Agreed on submitting the report and re-print. 30/

MP Bonita Trying to haul ass to get this passed in 2022 !!

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Chair advises it's up to the house.

MP Bonita making surprise attempt at #DERB..
This is NOT a drill !
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MP Bonita citing example of past situation where her attempt could work..

MP Gray asking for copy of motion in writing.

provided.
re-providing.

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(off mic-conversations while they look for a written copy of motion)

Chair looks stunned by this MITB briefcase attempt.
((sorry, that was for WWE fans only lol))
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They've called a pause to HUMA Time again..
will be back in a few.

Wow.
LOL chair jokes that MP Chabot got 3 breaks.

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Fans are on the edge of their seats..
waiting to see how this plays out.

I'm.. just reeling.
A legitimate attempt to get the CDB 3rd reading done as soon as tomorrow if the house manager agrees.

an attempt at DERB all in a 2 minute span..
this is the hope that I wanted. 36/

URGENT URGENT to anyone who see's this message.
Please communicate your desire to see the CDB 3rd reading before Christmas to @markhollandlib, @Kevin_Lamoureux and @MarkGerretsen

#ODSP #CDBby23 #CanadaDisabilityBenefit #C22 #AISH #SAID #BCPWD

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I don't have the full wording of the motion, but it sounded good and a real attempt to get shit done.

Vote called on motion.
LPC all voting no.
CPC abstain.
Everyone else abstaining.
Chabot yes.

no luck on motion.
Last tweet stands.
Advocate hard, it is still possible. 38/

seems like they are now discussing other business.

So.. my after action report.

There were some goods and bads.

The Good, NDP5 was withdrawn.
the Bad, NDP6 passed.
The mitigation NDP8 (i think) passed.

meaning ? 39/

I need @morricemike or @BonitaZarrillo to verify my understanding but..

when all is said & done at 6 months there'll be a report on the consult process with PWD Community. ((Good !))

And it sounds like a -Deadline- to provide the benefit within 1 year was passed ? (NDP8) 40/

If that proves accurate, then this means that within 1 year of all stages passing, the benefit will start providing. That gives a wide range of anytime between Fall '23.. to late Feb '24 (ish) pending when 3rd house reading is complete and the senate.

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So If i'm right, it won't take forever.

It's not great..
I want this paying Tomorrow.
But if there's an end date, it mitigates NDP6 Sub-Amendment and ensures this will not stretch into 2025. Every day counts. Every day is vital to saving lives.

Thank you all for reading.
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