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1/ A few thoughts on ApoB.

It's something we're programmed for, genetically.

It's a fundamental component of digestion and energy distribution. (@realDaveFeldman)

So if it causes CVD, then CVD is a genetic disease.

#lcl6 h/t @jimolsen717
2/ If CVD is genetic, then we should see the current rate of CVD (~50% of deaths) in all human populations.

We don't.

This is demonstrated repeatedly, best here:



Where various genetic populations have near-zero CVD in their natural environment.
3/ We only see CVD in populations consuming higher amounts of linoleic acid, and, best, low levels of animal fats.

doi.org/10.3389/fnut.2… Image
4/ There are various confounders that affect this, like smoking, pollution, or FH, but all do so though that variable.

doi.org/10.1093/ije/dy… Image
5/ So it seems, clearly, that when linoleic acid is low, ApoB is not harmful. Populations with ApoB levels higher than US levels, for instance, but no industrial seed oil consumption, have near-zero rates of CVD.

6/ Linoleic acid (LA) itself, however, isn't a problem. It's only when it becomes oxidized that it's a problem.

This is roughly like saying spilled gasoline in a match-testing facility isn't a problem... Image
7/ Since it's going to get oxidized, sooner or later.

We know that eating LA leads to increased oxidized LA in the body, as we can measure a carrier of LA, LDL. LDL with oxidized LA is called oxLDL.
8/ ApoB is just a protein, you have quadrillions of them in your body right now. LDL contains one ApoB, as do some other things in your body.

When LA gets oxidized, it attaches to and oxidizes the ApoB in LDL—along with everything else in the neighborhood.
9/ This is why ApoB is such a poor risk marker.

Along with those populations that don't have CVD, it's a poor indicator for CVD risk even in populations that have high LA consumption.

It's not causing it, it's just a vehicle.
10/ Physicians and scientists who have been following the science for the last few decades are figuring this out.

11/ If you're curious, while consuming LA to prevent CVD is still recommended by certain Stone-age physicians and professional organizations, LA increases ApoB.

12/ And yes, the oxidized LA that you eat is delivered throughout your body, causing all sorts of mayhem.

13/13 Including to your arteries, to give you CVD.

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Feb 23
Does Ted Ryce Know the Truth About Seed Oils?

He asked folks to retweet this thread, so I'm going to, with some commentary.

tldr: No, he doesn't. Keep reading, Ted.
No, Ted, it's been going on for much longer than that. Paul Chek hardly started it.

"Before we jump in, I want you to know that this debate has been going on for over 20 years."

Here's a paper from 1961, proposing that seed oils (linoleic acid) are essential for atherosclerosis causation.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…

That's 62 years ago.

Score: Ted = -1
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Feb 22
#duh 1/ Dieticians are corrupt.

"@eatright and its foundation... received food industry fundings via sponsorships, which are in effect quid pro quos. In a 2015 email, an Academy employee defined a sponsorship as “When a company pays a fee to the Academy/Foundation in return...
2/ "...for Academy/Foundation defined specific rights and benefits.”

"The email reveals the Academy in 2015 was in a sponsorship deal with Abbott and was discussing how the Academy could use its dietitians’ influence in pediatricians’ offices to push Pediasure...
3/ "...one of the pharmaceutical giant’s infant nutritional products. Abbott at the time had in place a two year, $300,000 sponsorship deal.
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Dec 26, 2022
1/15 Remember TMAO? #Vegan claim it comes from meat, and is bad for you, promoting heart disease.

"TMAO: A Toxic Substance Formed When You Eat Meat Can Make You … Dead Meat"
forksoverknives.com/wellness/tmao-…

Written by an MD!
2. Problem was, the most cardioprotective diet includes lots of fish, and fish are the best source for TMAO:

"Fish consumption yields a greater increase in urinary TMAO compared to red meat."

"The Relationship between Fish Intake and Urinary [TMAO]"
doi.org/10.1002/mnfr.2…
3. While a vegan diet does indeed decrease TMAO:

"Evaluation of an 8-Week #Vegan Diet on Plasma [TMAO] and Postchallenge Glucose in Adults with Dysglycemia or Obesity"

https:doi.org/10.1093/jn/nxa…
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Nov 26, 2022
1/ "Conventional soybean oil (CSO)... predominantly contains linoleic acid (LA; C18:2), a n-6 PUFA. Recently, a modified soybean oil (MSO) enriched in oleic acid (C18:1), a n-9 MUFA, has been developed, because of its improved chemical stability to oxidation."

#lcl6
2/ "The CSO diet decreased plasma lipid levels and the cholesterol content of VLDL and LDL by approximately 18% (p < 0.05), likely from increased hepatic levels of PUFA, which favorably regulated genes involved in cholesterol metabolism...."

@FatEmperor @realDaveFeldman
3/ "The MSO diet, but not the CSO diet, suppressed atherosclerotic plaque size compared to the Western control diet (Control Western diet: 6.5 ± 0.9%; CSO diet: 6.4 ± 0.7%; MSO diet: 4.0 ± 0.5%) (p < 0.05), independent of plasma lipid level changes."

@LDLskeptic2
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Nov 13, 2022
1/ "Only a few previous studies have examined head-to-head the extent of excess risk explained through high concentrations of remnant cholesterol or triglycerides (substitute markers for high VLDL cholesterol) and high concentrations of LDL cholesterol separately...
2/ "...(18, 19), and none have used directly measured concentrations of both VLDL cholesterol and LDL cholesterol. Consequently, it is presently unknown to what extent directly measured cholesterol in large and small VLDLs, in IDL, and in LDL in head-to-head comparison...
3/ "...each explain excess risk of myocardial infarction in individuals with obesity."

This is from 2021, mind you. 🙄
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Nov 6, 2022
Can we trust PhDs?

1/ Claim: "No upper limit (UL) has been set for linoleic acid because of a lack of a defined intake establishing adverse affects (2)."

Reference 2: “An upper boundary for linoleic acid is set at 10 percent of energy for three reasons: ...(3) high intakes
2/ "...of linoleic acid create a pro-oxidant state that may predispose to several chronic diseases, such as CHD and cancer."

Read both snapshots.

Hat tip to @MDVilntfluid for getting me to take another look at Whelan.

#lcl6
3/3 Claim in: "Linoleic Acid" doi.org/10.3945/an.113…

Ref 2: "Dietary Reference Intakes for ...Fat, Fatty Acids..." nap.edu/catalog/10490/…
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