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An older man comes to the ED with abrupt onset nausea, & diarrhea

He is joined by her daughter whom he is visiting from abroad

Testing is below
The diagnosis is unclear
Until his daughter got just as sick too
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#livertwitter #liverstory #MedTwitter Image
ALT >1000 has a narrow differential diagnosis



There's lots of tests you can order.
But most diagnoses are made in the H+P

Like this one

In fact, in this case, my attending said the diagnosis was obvious from the beginning

Just not to me
When I meet someone with ALT>1000, I think:

1⃣Ischemic hepatitis. Right 🫀failure? 🫀-genic shock? Cool legs?
2⃣Biliary 🪨. Pain? imaging!
3⃣Drug induced liver injury. Tylenol? Run every med through livertox.gov
4⃣Viral hep. Hep A/B/C

But these weren’t the answers
The daughter getting sick, that was the clue

Two people from the same house have acute liver injury

Was it hep A? Good thought. But both were immune.

Question: What exposure have they shared?

Answer: Dad made omelets this morning
Mushroom omelets

Dad likes to take long walks and forage for his mushrooms.

This is what he found Image
Amanita Phalloides - Death Cap - mushroom poisoning

1. Case-fatality rate of 10-20%
2. Dose-dependent. 1 or 2 mushrooms can kill
3. Phases: incubation (6-24h), GI (severe N/V/D;24-48h), liver injury
4. The cause of death is liver failure ImageImageImage
A recent outbreak of amanita poisoning in California showed that death can be avoided with liver transplant.

In this case series, many people recovered without transplant. All patients received a smattering of treatments

So how do we treat amanita poisoning? Image
But first, we need to know how Amanita causes liver injury

1. It's heat stable. Cant cook it dead
2. Acid stable. Gut cant neutralize
3. Water soluble. Amanita is full of toxins but only amatoxin is absorbed in the gut. It goes directly to the liver

Also: it looks crazy👇 Image
When amatoxin reaches the liver, it binds OATPB13 and the hepatocyte brings it in

Then it inhibits DNA-dependent RNA polymerase II and cell function ceases

Massive liver cell necrosis ensues ImageImage
If - IF - there is a treatment, it acts by blocking gut absorption, liver cell uptake, or hepatocyte death

Gastric lavage is often recommended but this is only if the ingestion is very recent

After that...referral to a transplant center is all I am confident in
This figure shows the survival rates by treatments attempted.

One of the most common is Benzylpenicillin (Penicillin G, Bp). No one knows for sure if it works or how but it possibly blocks amatoxin-polymerase interaction

N-acetylcysteine is frequently given too. Why not? Image
Liver cell uptake may be inhibited by silibinin

1. It blocks amatoxin binding to OATPB13
2. It prevented liver injury in a controlled trial in beagles
3. Uncontrolled studies in people have been used to suggest benefit ImageImageImage
You might wonder what silibinin is

It is an active ingredient from milk thistle!

Many of the patients in this case series received it IV in a Phase 2 trial that closed without data (clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/resul…)

There will be more on milk thistle in a forthcoming tweetorial Image
So how did our patients do?

Both recovered without the need for liver transplant. One was enrolled in a phase 2 trial, receiving IV Milk Thistle (Silibinin).

Along the way they taught us many things:
Summary
1⃣Think amanita if acute liver injury with severe nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea
2⃣Mechanism of amanita liver injury: inhibition of RNA polymerase
3⃣PenG, NAC, and Silibin are frequently given but robust evidence for use is limited
I hope you enjoyed this #liverstory from long ago. I will return soon with a tweetorial on milk thistle.

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Jun 9, 2023
WHAT is the deal with Milk Thistle?
WHY is it used to treat liver disease?
HOW does it work?
DOES it work?
ARE you ready for a #tweetorial?
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#medtwitter #livertwitter Image
Milk Thistle, a history:
1⃣Use to treat snake bites (Dioscorides)
2⃣To carry off bile (Pliny the Elder)
3⃣Great for liver disease (1500's: Otto Brunfels)
4⃣In 19th Century 🇺🇸, the 'Eclectics' popularized herbology, especially milk thistle, for the liver ImageImageImageImage
Fast forward to today:
1⃣Herbal supplements are a multibillion dollarindustry
2⃣A quarter of the population takes an herbal supplement
3⃣~5% of the US population is using Milk Thistle, including 12% of people with liver disease

What do they get out of it? ImageImage
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Jun 4, 2023
I once did a cost effectiveness analysis comparing shotgun vs deliberate testing for elevated ALT

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27717864/ @JHepatology

We found that broad testing didn’t add much costs but increased false positives, especially when pretest probability of NAFLD was high
Then, In this RCT, John Dillon comparing usual care to broad evaluation of elevated liver enzymes, the cost per incremental diagnosis was 284💷 but was def cost-effective

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31226388/
I don’t know of many examples of RCTs that confirm or support cost-effectiveness analyses so

A) cool!
B) understanding the differences in the results hinges on the assumptions in the model and the design of the RCT
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Jun 4, 2023
How to read a cost-effectiveness paper

This is a powerful method. But poorly understood, often maligned. My goal is to improve critical appraisal and help good analyses get the appreciation they deserve

🧵#MedTwitter CEA: cost-effectiveness analysis
A decision must be made!

All CEA begins with a clinical decision where we are uncertain about the best path forward. Nevertheless, when we face patients we must do something, even if that something is nothing. CEA brings our dilemma to life. Helping us quantify trade offs
Usually we compare a fair description of usual care to an alternative - make sure you agree the choice is fair, realistic, and represents an actual clinical dilemma
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Feb 6, 2023
The correct answer is variceal bleeding

First, the lactate is up. Take this patient seriously
Second, the obvious clues are lower hemoglobin, platelet consumption.
Third, the ammonia is crazy high. This seals the deal for variceal bleeding.

Why is that?

next slide please
Ammonia is a biomarker of badness

1. Liver dysfunction
2. Portosystemic shunting
3. Dehydration, renal injury (🫘eliminates nh3)
4. Sarcopenia (💪eliminates nh3)
5. Malnutrition

6. And upper GI bleeding
Where is all that ammonia coming from?

The answer is hemoglobin and albumin are isoleucine-poor. This means that when our blood enters the gut, it is not a nutritious source of protein. It gets broken down for waste. That waste, my friends, is ammonia
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5 steps toward a killer talk
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1️⃣practice by recording yourself on the memo app. Listen next day while walking. Refine. Repeat.
2️⃣stay on time, preferably under. If 10 min slot, 9. If 15, 12. If 30, 25.
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Jul 11, 2022
The best way to ensure best outcomes for your patient with variceal bleeding is to treat it

Sadly: 1 in 7 bleeds receives no endoscopic therapy

Why? 🧵

#livertwitter
The top reasons I have seen are:

🚫But the varices weren’t bleeding at the time
✅varices bleeding can be intermittent. #cirrhosis plus hemetemesis and varices at EGD = band

🚫I couldn’t visualize with all the 🩸
✅take time, reposition patient, use eryrhromycin
🚫not comfortable banding
✅phone a friend or transfer quickly

🚫cannot pass bander given patient anatomy
✅time for sclerotherapy (or glue)
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