Thread by @nickwallis

Sorry I am completely unprepared this morning. We found out yesterday that the new Chair of Governors at our son’s school has resigned. The Multi Academy Trust running the school have managed to lose a brilliant head teacher, promote somone with credibly bullying complaints...

against them and now lose the one good appointment they have made in a matter of weeks. And they've managed to install one of the most divisive figures in this whole saga as interim chair. To say I am fuming is an understatement. Here’s the latest: educationaccountability.org/2020/07/new-lg…

Welcome to Day 9 of the Depp v NGN libel trial.

I spend all my life trying to be as impartial as possible when working as a reporter, but for this mob I am prepared to make an exception. What they did to our old head teacher was wrong. They know it. And they haven't even bothered to apologise.

He is suing the publisher of the The Sun newspaper for libel after it claimed he was a “wife-beater”

Johnny Depp is suing the publisher of the The Sun newspaper for libel after it claimed he was a “wife-beater”, something he strenuously denies.

The action is happening in court 13 - the principal court for the purposes of this trial.
Proceedings are due to start today at 10am BST. I will be live-tweeting throughout the day from the reporters court (38) which is connected by videolink.

Just a reminder that I cannot record video, audio or take any pictures whilst anywhere in the court or court precincts. It is a potential criminal offence to do so.

With regard to the live-tweeting I have a legal and professional responsibility to be “contemporaneous, accurate and fair”. I can’t speculate or answer any questions as to how I think it might be going for either party.

Also - what I am writing is a summary of what is being said in court. I am paraphrasing the exchanges in order to keep up with people as they talk. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes”.

For direct quotes you will need to read the transcripts which I am now posting each evening after proceedings have finished. You can read the first eight days here: nickwallis.com/depp-trial plus witness statements.

Please don’t send any tips today - this one’s on me.

Reason is I am underprepared, I don’t feel fantastic and I am trying very hard not to get distracted by the ongoing ****show at my son’s school.

If you’ve already tipped me for today - carry it forward to Monday when I will be in much better shape.

You haven’t missed anything so far. Some legal argument about disclosure and a run through of today’s schedule. Which starts with
Isaac Baruch. All are coming via video link from LA so we’re at the mercy of the tech once more.

We’re also going to hear from Alejandro Romero, who was due to appear yesterday at the end of his night shift, but bless him he fell asleep and forgot.

Isaac Baruch is American - he sounds very Noo Yoik, but I may be horribly wrong. He’s bald with an impressive white beard and is wearing a black suit, black shirt and no tie. We’re underway.
“okey doke” says Isaac.

We haven’t see Johnny Depp in his usual spot via the court camera this morning. I don’t know if he arrived today.

David Sherborne (DS) for Johnny Depp is confirming his witness statement. After that Sasha Wass (QC) will cross-examine (xe) him. The judge is Mr Justice Nicol (Judge).

QC you have been a friend of Mr Depp (JD) for nearly 40 years is that correct
IB yes
QC since you were young
IB teenagers
QC and JD has been v generous to you
IB without a doubt
QC he allowed you to stay in one of his Eastern Colombia Building (ECB) penthouses PH2 rent free
IByes

QC he’s leant you money - $100K
IB not all at once - from 2013 to 2017
QC did he also give you money
IB no
QC so the $20K a year - was that a loan or a gift?
IB part of his patronsship, I’d ask for the dough when I needed it

QC patronship? This was not a loan was it
IB it changed in that I made it a loan whilst I was creating the art
QC have you paid any of it back - the $100K loan
IB no not yet
QC did he pay for your groceries from time to time
IB no

QC whilst you were living in PH2 you got to know the other peopleliving in the other penthouses -
IB absolutely
QC you got to know AH
IB oh yeah of course got to know Amber year of course
QC and Whitney in PH4
IB that is correct
QC and Rocky Pennington and her fiancé Josh Drew

… who lived in PH1
IB and at the time you got on very well with them
QC 100%! Yes!
IB and you found them to be very nice people
IB I loved them all!
QC the relationship between JD and AH was volatile
IB I found out later on...

QC and JD would give you his side of the argument
IB yes
QC and you would simply rely on his version
IB well I heard her also grieve when they would argue after the fact. Is that what you’re asking me?

QC you would hear AH get upset when JD left after arguments
IB well if he left and I saw her a couple of times after where she’d throw me to how she felt
QC JD would leave his apartment to go and stay at his home in Hollywood from time to time
IB yeah that’s where he would go

QC and in fact JD asked you to live in his Hollywood residence in Sweetzer Avenue (SA) after you left ECB
IB I live in a room in one of the houses he owns on that street
QC and you live rent free
IB yes
QC on the occasions JD would leave to go to his property in SA...

… she would never tell you the details of the argument
IB no - she wanted to get hold of him
QC she was worried for him
IB no she was worried about herself getting in touch with him
QC she never said anything nasty about you to JD
IB no
QC you being a long-standing friend
IB yes

QC do you remember a text between you and Whitney Heard after she stopped living in PH4 and she told you JD and AH were fighting you said “it’s not my business, I don’t want to get involved, I hope she understands”
IB I remember a text one time, but it didn’t say that.

QC do you remember this one
IB the one that you’re just saying right now?
QC yes
IB I remember getting a text from WH asking me to call her sister and it said she’s no psychic but it’ll be about Johnny and I said I don’t really want to call her and talk about Johnny and hopefully

She’ll under stand that
QC now can I asked you about the events of 21 May 2015
[she goes to his witness statement]
5. On May 2isr, 2016, I was out in the neighborhood. I arrived at the Eastern at around 9:30 pm...

… met a friend and we proceeded up to my apaitment which is Penthouse 2 on the top floor/roof. Immediately exiting the elevator and at the beginning of the hallway that leads to

the 5 penthouses on this floor that Mr Depp owned, we noticed that there was broken glass on the floor from a broken sconce that hung on the wall. We then proceeded to round the corner of the hallway and stopped in front of Penthouse 1, because there \Vas a large puddle

of spilt wine along with splashed wine running down the wall directly in front of the door. I said to my friend something like: " it looks like somebody got hammered, probably these guys had a party", meaning Ms Heard 's friends Raquel Pennington and her fiance Josh Drew, who

lived in Penthouse 1.

PAR 5 ENDS

[QC is taking him through it line-by-line and asking if he agrees with it.]

[he does]

[we go to par 6]
6. At that very moment, the door to Penthouse I opened and Mr Drew stepped out far enough through the doo1way to address me but also to block my view of the apattment inside. I asked Mr Drew what had happened with the spilt wine and he ve1y seriously replied with

words to the effect of, "we kind ofhad a rough day''. He looked and sounded stressed and a bit worried, so I asked if he was okay and if be needed help, to which he replied: "No, it's ok, thanks", or words to that effect. I said that was okay, said goodbye and my friend and I

went to my apartment.

PAR 6 ENDS

[QC is asking if he agrees with it]
[he does]

7. On May 2211d, 2016, as I left my apartment a bit after noon time, I made my way through the hallway towards the elevator, I met with a congregation of people in front of Penthouse l. Standing in the hallway and within the open doorway of Penthouse I stood Ms Heard, a...

private security person, two locksmiths who were working on the open door, and Mr Drew. I also saw Ms Pennington within the apa1tment walking about. I greeted eve1yone and asked what was going on. Ms Heard, whose demeanor I would describe at that moment as being

very animated and in control, informed me that Mr Depp had come by the night before and got violent and that she was now changing the locks on all the doors to Penthouses 1, 3, and 5, and not to wony about the locks on my apartment. At this point she also introduced me to

the private security guy and told me he would be hanging around. Twas surprised and taken back as to what she just told me and said something like: "wait, what happened?". Mr Drew then stepped towards me while giving me a head wave to follow him, signalling that he

would explain it to me in private. We walked back to my apartment and entered .

[QC asks if this is correct and IB agrees]

8. Once inside, Mr Drew proceeded to tell me that Mr Depp came by last night. He said that Mr Depp was drnnk and got angry, told Ms Pennington and Mr Drew that he wanted them to move out and that he pushed Ms Pennington, hit Ms Heard and threw a phone at her. I...

… listened in amazement and in a kind of disbelief t1ying to visualize what he was telling me. l said words to the effect of, "wow, this sounds crazy and completely nuts!" l then took a few seconds of thought and asked him when he and Ms Pennington were planning to move out...

since Mr Depp was asking them to leave his prope1ty, to which he replied that they were going to stay and not move out, so that they can help and protect Ms Heard, just in case Mr Depp should come back and get violent again. This last bit he told me seemed strange to

me, because I couldn't imagine myself being a guest in somebody's home and being told to leave and then defying the home owner's wishes. It also seemed strange to me that I just got introduced to a private security guy who was going to be on watch and do exactly what Mr

Drew said he and Ms Pennington were staying to do. I just looked at him and said something like, "this is crazy" or some words to that effect.

QC and the last part of that is just speculation
IB it’s my opinion

[we go to par 8]
9. We then left my apartment and walked back to Penthouse 1, where I asked Ms Heard about Mr Depp's actions the night before. She told me that he hit her in the face and threw a phone at her. I then asked her where he had hit her and she stretched her

neck and pushed out the right side of her head for me to look at her right eye. We both were standing in front of the open doorway of Penthouse 1.

With lights from the hallway and the sunlight that came in through the windows from Penthouse I, which filled the room and spread into the hallway, it was ve1y easy for me to get an excellent view of Ms Heard's face.

I literally was around 12 inches from her, inspecting her face and I did not sec a single mark or evidence of any marks, bruising, or swelling of any kind anywhere on her face. She also definitely didn't seem to be

wearing any makeup at this time of day that could cover any marks or swelling. Her face looked to me just as natural and normal as all the other times I've seen it over the past 3 years while hanging out together around the apaitments.

As 1 backed away from inspecting her face, l jestfully said something like: "Well, I don't see anything, but maybe it's all that beauty fi-0111 one side ofyour face outsMning the other side ofyour face."

Ms Heard then smiled and laughed at me, while appreciating the compliment, but didn't offer any excuse as...

to why I couldn't see any marks, brnising, or swelling. At this point I said something to the effect of, " this all seems so unreal and crazy" and that T had to gel going. 1 then said my goodbyes to everyone, gave Ms Heard a hug and left the Eastern.

PAR 9 ENDS
QC how certain were you you couldn’t see any bruising or swelling
IB 100%
QC you’d know AH 3 years by that stage - had you ever known her to go out to a party without makeup on?
IB I wouldn’t know that

QC [re-asks the question at the request of the judge]
IB I wouldn’t know that I doin’t know how many parties she went to so I couldn’t tell you
QC during the time you have known her did you ever see her go to a party not wearing make-up
IB you want me to speculate?

Judge - we’re not asking you to speculate - the premise of that question relies on you knowing she is going to a party
IB any time I saw her go to an event that she was decked out in - she had make-up on
QC had you ever seen her leave the ECB and go to a public place...

… without make up
IB er… I don’t know… I didn’t see… yes! yes!
QC I would suggest that she would go out wearing make up. Do you have any expertise in this area?
Judge I am not sure this is a question that requires expertise.
[we go to a file]

[it is a photo of the side of AH’s face on 21 May 2016 - it is very red]
QC this was taken on 21 - the day before the day you saw her. Did you see anything like that on the 22nd?
IB absolutely not

[we go to a text chain dated 22 May 2016]
[it is bewteen Amanda de Cadenet and AH]
QC AdC says “sleeping sounds like the best thing - put some Arnica on your face, make sre you have photos of the injuries please and text them to me or Rocky. Sweetheart I have been where you are..

“ she goes on to say it’s extremely difficult, but pain is a part of growth.
QC do yo know what arnica is
IB no
QC starts asking a question
Judge stops her - I don;’t think IB’s opinion on this text is of use to me

QC on 3 June you were in your flat and AH knocked on your door and told you she was not doing so good
IB I said How you doin;? and she said I’m not doin’ so hot and then she said I made some food - you want to come eat with me
QC and you refused saying because of the ...

… restraining order
IB that’ snot true - that not what I said I said we best not talk anymore because I’m angry and confused about what I’m seeing
QC thank you
IB and then on 28 Oct JD texted you to say he was selling the ECB penthouses and he would accommodate you in SA

[sorry that last bit was by QC]
[IB agrees]

QC takes him to a text from JD to IB about giving IB money and having to move him out of the building saying "that cunt ruined such a cool vibe we led for a while.”
QC that’s a reference to AH isn’t it
IB who?
QC “that cunt"
IB [laughs] yes!

QC asks about the vibe in the penthouses - good was it?
IB yeah it was like family
QC so you had a good idea of who was coming and going
IB yeah you’d meet people who might be visiting
QC and you were asked on a previous occasion when you remember first seeing Mr Elon Musk

QC and you were asked did you see EM before may 21st or after the 21st. Do you remember being asked that?
IB I think I might have been asked that at a deposition - that’s what it’s called, right? a deposition not a depilation - in Long Beach California
QC what is more important

… is your answer. You said it was after May 21st.
IB yes I saw him twice around the building 1st time coming out of the elevator and 2nd time was in the morning time when I woke up I’m looking out my bedroom window he was in JD and AH’s apartment and he was walking out...

QC after May 21st 2016
IB correct
QC thank you very much Mr Baruch for answering my questions
IB thank you
[DS on his feet for re-ex]
DS you were asked if JD has been very generous to you
IB yeah
DS is JD only generous to you
IB [laughs out loud] no! no! he’s an übermensch he’s..

… generous to everybody.
DS could you explain übermensch
IB he’s the ultimate good guy. He does the right thing, he’s great
DS you were asked about staying rent-free in one of the PH’s in the ECB
IB yes that was part of the schtick - the patronship
DS who else was rent-free

IB everybody. Rocky, Josh, Whitney etc. Johnny’s funding everything - Johnny’s paying for everything
DS do you know how many flats there are in hte ECB
IB in the entire building? No. I have no clue.

DS when you spoke to AH on the 22 May 2016 was she going out
IB no I was
DS do you know if she might put her make up on in the car or anywhere else
IB No I have no clue
DS in your WS you say you saw her up close on 22 May and 23 May and 24 May and on either 25 or 26
IB [agrees]

IB in all those times I didn’t see a single bruise or redness or any mark or any red-tinted cellphone incident that was advertised in The People. Not. Anything
DS you were asked about your encounter with AH on 3 June and you said you were confused and you didn’t want to speak...

… to her because of everything you were seeing. What were you seeing?
IB all the phoney baloney pictures in the magazine - I walked in at the wrong time for them - she didn’t have a speck on her face and for me to ask where and she’s showing me and I don’t see anything…?

… I’m a foot away from her - and I don’t see anything. A foot away from her.
DS thank you. that text you were taken to. I think it’s fair to say he was angry with AH. Do you know why he was angry?

IB - cos she had filed a fraudulent domestic violence claim and she was trying to extort and blackmail him and was filing for divorce!

[IB has finished giving evidence]

[judge has risen. not sure who we’re getting next. Neither is the court]

We’re back. Next witness is Alejandro Romero via videolink from LA.

He is being affirmed by the usher in the UK.

[AR has collar-length dark hair and is wearing a casual maroon white spotted shirt]

QC you say you saw AH at the ECB in July 2015
AR correct
QC are you sure you haven’t got the date wrong
AR no
QC and you say you understand she was not resident till March 2016
AR I remember the year but I don’t know if it was that month
QC so she wasn’t resident till March 2016

AR I’m talking about 2015
QC in 2015 is that the first time you saw AH around the ECB
AR that’s correct
QC and that’s your genuine recollection
AR that’s correct
QC and she became a resident in March 2016 - is that your genuine recollection
AR yes
QC are you comfortable...

… with that recollection
AR yes
QC you say you’ve see AH on CCTV footage, but you’ve never spoken to her about her personal life
AR yes

QC and you would arrange access to the ECB for AH’s guests
AR yes
QC and you say from March 2016 onwards she was cvisited regularly by Mr Elon Musk
AR correct
QC and you say she would ask for you to give him a parking space and access to the building

… on a regular basis and eventually AH got EM a key fob for the garage and you saw him come and go on a regular basis not when JD was around
AR yes
QC now I’m not disputing your evidence about that, what I am suggesting is that you have got your dates completely muddled up

AR [talks about dates]
QC now I am going to suggest is that AH became a resident in March 2013 NOT March 2016.
AR I disagree
QC can you explain how that fits in with your recollection that she was entertaining Mr Musk a year before she was a resident

AR I can’t explain
QC you say in par AH you were dealing with her in 2015 to arrange access for Mr Musk, but then you say she wasn’t a resident until March 2016
AR I guess she wasn’t added to the system until that year
QC and you say you only saw her in July 2015...

… four months after she was dealing with you to arrange access to the building
AR yes
QC do you accept you may be muddled with your dates
AR maybe. I got 147 units. I cannot remember everything
[no further questions]
DS you explained you tied EM visits to the ECB late at night..

… to when JD hurt his finger
AR correcet
DS we know he hurt his finger in March 2015 - why do you have such a clear memory of this happening
AR a friend of mine is a big JD fan and was concerned about his finger

… and I remember that was the day that EM came to the building

[that’s it from Alejandro Romero}

[Travis McGivern is affirming his witness statement is true and correct]. He is bald with a magnificent grey-white beard and is wearing a grey suit, white shirt and dark tie

QC you have been a security guard for how long
™ a little over 7 years
[great - autocorrect problem]

QC you were called by JD at the ECB and were asked by JD to come to PH5 with the nurse Debby Lloyd.
™ yes
QC and you arrived together
™ no we did not
QC

QC in your WS it says you entered the apartment - did you not do so together
™ we did not enter right away - I went to get the nurse from the hotel where she was staying
QC was that the first thing you did after getting the message?
™ yes

[this is on 23 March 2015]
™ we ran into AH so nurse lloyd stayed with her and I went to the apartment to see JD
QC I suggested you and nurse lloyd entered the apartment together
TM i DOn’t understand
QC you are at ground level of the apartment, you get a text from JD...

…. asking you to go get DL, which you do from a local hotel, you enter the ECB together
TM yes - we ran into AH in the lobby and I got in the elevator and went to see JD.
QC AH was at the ground floor level?
™ yes
QC sure
™ yes ma’am
QC no you arrived into the apartment...

… and you are confronted by a full blown argument between JD and AH
™ I disagree
QC well in your statement you say

5. On 23 March 2015, I was working a security shift at Mr Depp’s residence at 849 South Broadway, Los Angeles, California 90014, United States (the "Building"), where Mr Depp was also staying at the time. At some time between 4 am to 6 am,

Mr Depp contacted me and asked me to come to Penthouse 5, which is the penthouse he owns in the Building adjacent to his principal home in Penthouse 3. He also asked me to bring a nurse who works for Mr Depp called Debbie Lloyd. I do

not recall him specifying why he wanted Nurse Lloyd to come. When Ms Lloyd and I entered his residence, Ms Heard and Mr Depp were having a verbal argument. Ms Heard's sister was also present. I cannot recall the specifics of what was being said

but there was a lot of shouting mixed in with some moments of calmer communication. This argument lasted approximately 60 to 90 minutes.

QC is that true?
™ that is what is in the statement, but that is not true, no
QC it’s not true?
™ no
QC your account today is very different is it not
™ yes
QC you say she was at the ground floor level with the concierge
™ yes
QC then what - AH came up after you with DL?

™ yes that is correct
QC where you were with JD
™ yes
QC and then they had a full-blown argument
™ yes
QC now according to your new account JD and AH could not have been having a full blown argument because AH was not there.

[™ says they all met outside PH5 and went inside and inside the argument… escalated]
QC so you are now saying you saw the beginning of argument
™ yes
QC no you are saying you were there at the beginning, can you tell us what the argument was about
™ not specifically no

QC and Whitney was on the ground floor of the apartment
™ yes
QC and do you remember Mr Depp being very angry
™ yes
QC because AH had accused him of having an affair with someone called Rochelle
™ I do not remember the specifics of what they were fighting about

QC but there was a scuffle at the mezzanine level of the stairs
™ scuffle
QC pushing and pulling
™ not on both sides
QC just AH?
™ AH was the only one who was physically aggressive
QC you don’t remember him hitting AH with his hand which was in a cast?
™ absolutely not

QC and you don’t remember you and DL stepping into separate them
™ no that’s what we did
QC do you remember JD shouting at Whitney to get out of the way as she tried to get between the two of them and shoving her
™ no JD was not physical
QC and after that AH did hit JD in

… defence of her sister.
™ I did not see JD being physical with anyone
QC and what do you say to the suggestion that AH and JD would hurt each other if they had not been separated
™ that’s hard for me to speculate on what might happen

[we go to a file]
QC there are two texts from Debby Lloyd - they are to Stephen Deuters and the first text says “bad night last night. they got into it and it got violent again. I had to separate them and we are at 80 now. Jerry away”
This was not a one-sided argument...

™ I’m sorry what the question
QC this 23 March text does it assist you that it was not one-sided
™ no this is not helpful. having been there I would like to reiterate this was one-sided physical aggression
QC second text: I was there to give him a shot - he went to bed

.. but then we found texts from Rochelle and all hell broke loose. Thank god travis was there or they would both hurt each other
QC both JD and AH had to be restrained
™ no ma’am
QC why did she write that
™ you want me to confirm what she was thinking?
Judge - having read...

… this text do you want to change your evidence
QC and you are denying on oath that you or DL had to restrain him
™ after she punched him I walked him downstairs to get out of the situation
QC you had to put ™ off AH to stop him punching her
™ is that a question
QC yes

™ that’s not true
QC you are lying
™ no I am not
[xe ends DS on his feet]
DS why were you asked to come to the ECB on that occasion
™ I don’t recall the text message. JD just asked to come to PH5 and bring DL
DS why did he ask you to bring DL
™ don’t know
DS you were asked...

… if you recall the cause of the argument - did you know it
™ no
DS were there other arguments
™ yes
DS how many
QC this is not the subject of the xe - yet again
Judge asks DS to move on
DS had you seen JD that angry on a number of occasions before?

™ a few, yes
DS there is a dispute between you and QC about how you entered that apartment
Judge - QC does not enter a dispute - she puts q’s and answers are given
DS my lord yes. In terms of what happened inside that apartment, did you ever see Mr Depp hit AH
™ no I did not.

DS are you able to say who was at fault in relation to the argument
™ no I’m not
DS you say she punched him in the eye with a closed fist when you were standing between JD and AH
™ correct
DS were you facing AH or JD at the time?
™ I was facing JD

DS QC asked if AH was acting in self-defence of her sister - was she?
™ no
DS if you had seen JD be violent towards AH would yuo hav simply stood by and let this happen
™ absolutely not
DS it was suggested you have com ehere to lie on JD’s behalf - agree or disagree

™ I wholeheartedly disagree with that.
[no further questions]
[morning witnesses completed]
[early again!]
Judge are you still on course for completing the claimants’ case today?
DS yes my lord

Judge are you intending to call Mr Pattison?
DS no. he is the ECB supervisor I think
Judge Ms Wass there was an isssue raised by Mr Wolansky about a potential application to xe Ms de Cadenet
QC I think that’s been abandoned

Judge Good. so we are on course to complete the claimants’ case today
QC thre is a matter Mr Wolansky wishes to raise. Now? Okay. I am reminded by Ms de Cadenet should be removed from the trial bundle
Judge - I’m not sure about that - you either had or floated the idea of an xe..

… application. Now that’s not being pursued, so if that’s the case her witness statement should be… maybe I should hear Mr W first
[Mr W is on his feet]
[they are descending into legal arcana. I’ll let you know the result]

[there is no result - we don’t if Amanda de Cadenet's statement will stay in the bundle more exciting argument to come]
[Mr Wolanski is on his feet about another application. DS hasn’t seen it. judge decides we’ll give DS lunch to look at it and deal with it at 2pm]

[The short adjournment. But what I will I be having for the short adjournment? I feel like Alberto the frog in Bod]

[That is the single most niche reference I have ever made on twitter]

Alberto:

Bite me.

Lunch was lovely. Thank you. We are back in court 38. This is a modern-ish court (despite being in a 100+ yo wing of the building), but court 13 is one of the old Victorian courts and as a result does not have the “benefit” of decent aircon. The judge has obviously informed...

… his usher to tell the vcourt they are free to take their wigs off. Which they have.
[court rises]
Judge - I see you got my message
DS - we did, my Lord, thank you.

DS telling Judge about an application to adduce expert evidence. it contains a letter from the proposed expert. it’s not an issue which in my submission we should be required to deal with now.
Judge this application was issued this morning - if you’re not in a position to deal...

… with it. I understand that
DS thank you
Mr W on his feet saying the application is time-sensitive, the expert needs two days to prepare his report
[Judge not having any of it]
Mr W It relates to metadata disclosed by the claimant in Jan 2020 - it is only this morning...

… that they are challenging the authenticity of the images that they disclosed to us. We raised the issue of metadata a week ago and there were two prompts for this - a) because in DS re-examining JD he had doubts about the reliability of metadata in general in specific ref to

… the Boston plane recording. It was ersatz metadata which his team had decided to cut and paste into paper in order to demonstrate how easy it was
[DS mutters]
The metadata in this case is crucial
Judge well what had been disclosed in Jan were pictures taken by AH
Mr W - yes...

… the other was a schedule that had been prepared - there was a letter dated 29 Jan and there was a schedule and the letter refers to the digital images and then a spreadsheet containing the metadata. But the spreadsheet is wrong. It contains fields for time and date. The dates

…. are right. The times are wrong. That spreadsheet found its way into the trial bundle as if that table accurately represented the metadata relating to the May 2016 images. In fact the times are wrong and there is no dispute they are wrong.
Judge - all the times are 00:00

Mr W - correct
Judge - it doesn’t take a genius to see there’s something funny…
Mr W indeed and AH provided the correct metadata
Judge- there isn’t a Witness Statement from AH exhibiting those documents
Mr W no they’ve been disclosed to us by the other side

Judge - so you’ve got the documents relating to Mr (?) witness statement with the metadata in it
Mr W some of it but not all of it
Judge what you want is the time of the pics
Mr W yes it’s very important to our case

Mr W so those photos were disclosed and there is a letter from our side saying please confirm you accept the metadata…
[this is getting toeey and fro-ey. I’ll tweet the result]

Mr W saying that NGN have had a letter at 10am this morning claiming some images have been manipulated. And that this has not been pleaded anywhere before. And that it is central to the case.
Takes Judge to a photo of AH which was taken on 21 May which shows bruises.

He says this image and 20 others were taken on 21 May at 20:23 when JD was still in the building but before the police arrived.

And now Schillings are saying that whilst they accept the time and date, they say the images have been "Saturated or otherwise photoshopped"

Mr W says their expert has examined the “internal” metadata, not just the “system” metadata and he is able to examine from the metadata whether they have been manipulated in any way and he has concluded they have not been manipulated in any manner. And he has conducted...

… a number of different types of analysis.

He was asked to do this yesterday.

Your lordship will appreciate that we have been waiting since the weekend to find out if the claimant is going to challenge the metadata and we cannot be blamed for the lateness of the exercise.

DS Mr W has now just made the application when all he was asked was whether now was the right time to make the application
Judge - DS has a point - it’s whether this is the right time to make the application
Mr W we think we CAN make the application now - DS has been stalling

DS that’s ridiculous…
Judge wait a minute DS - you’ll get a chance to speak
Mr W this is a very simple application

Mr W - we really cannot wait - there is time to call expert evidence next week
Judge now just a minute please. Mr Sherborne sit down. I don’t need to hear from you because I am sympathetic that you ought to have an opportunity to respond. It clearly is something that needs to...

… be dealt with pretty quickly, so I propose to do so on Monday.
DS yes but there are a few things your Lordship needs to understand. first of all it’s simply not true to say…
Judge Mr Sherborne I am not by acceding to your objecting intending to reflect at all on...

… what Mr W said in developing the background to the application. Now can it be done on Monday?
DS well yes, but this expert report seems to involve the provision of images to the expert on 13 July to which they’ve referred in this letter… so we will need to consider how to...

… provide our own expert.
Judge - while I am sympathetic to you not dealing with it this afternoon, we really do need to get on with this - we are in the middle of the trial.
[application will be decided...

… at 9.30am on Monday]
Judge so that AH evidence can start at 10am
DS indeed - we wouldn’t want to distract from that exercise.

DS my lord we are due to have Mr Devinere at 3pm who I understand is being compelled to attend by the defendants…
DS…. oh I am told he is here already here.
Judge - by “here” you mean…
DS I am so sorry
Judge - well if he is ready...
[judge rises as they establish video link]

Ms Laura Divenere is the next witness.
DS says he shoul;dn’t be dealing with this witness as Ms Wass compelled her to attend
Sasha Wass QC I will do it, but Officer Saenz was subpoenaed and DS dealt with her
DS I am happy to do it…
Judge gets Laura Divenere sworn in.

Sasha Wass (QC) will be questioning. Laura will be LD.
DS is getting her to confirm here witness statement.
QC I am going to ask you to look at one or two documents if I may
[we go to a file]
[LD is wearing a black loose jacket with rolled up sleeves, a black round necked top...

… with a pendant necklace on it. Shoulder length dark hair with a big fringe]
QC these are a series of texts sent on 22 June 2019: Dear Laura I assume you are fearful of something and you needn’t be - I heard from Johnny and others you’re a nice person - I have video of you and

… costant interaction with AH and JD had already left the country - you were with her prior to and after AH created this hoax and that AH tried to destroy JD her reputation…

do you want to co-operate and we can sit down and talk - or if not we can subpoena you

QC is that a text to you from Adam Waldman
LD it is
QC and did you forward that text to Amber Heard
LD yes

QC this is a transcript of a recording and I’m going to ask you to listen to the recording and I’m going to ask you one or two questions about it
[they play the tape]

[I don’t know for sure as of course we don’t have the transcript, but it seems to be conversation between LD and AH discussing the pressure LD was being put under by a lawyer AH is describing as “the biggest asshold under the sun”. In it LD says to AH “I adore you”]

[It sounds like LD is saying was pressured into signing a declaration in favour of JD because she was scared of what his lawyers would do to her and she has gone to AH asking for her attorney to allow her to file a declaration for her]

[LD is saying she was speaking to the lawyer "He said “JD happens to think you’re a really nice person, he doesn’t want to depose you, but if he has to he will” and I thought well how nice a guy can he be?"]

[I am asking for this transcript asap - they are speaking so fast]
[the basic gist is a terrified LD is talking to AH about being coerced into signing a “vanilla” statement and she has come to say to AH she is terrified of what JD's lawyers were insinuating they would do to her]

Here is the Waldman text to LD just referred to in court:

[recording has been stopped]
QC prior to receiving the text from AW did you want to get involved in the dispute between JD and AH
LD no
QC did you feel uncomfortable after getting that text
LD yes
QC did you feel under pressure
LD yes

QC did you feel under pressure to talk about Elon Musk
LD I felt pressure about most of the questions, yes
[we go to LD’s witness statement]

[that’s it - other than the signature and header]

QC did you write that witness statement
LD no Adam Waldman did. I just approved and signed it.

QC did you feel pressure to give evidence - adverse evidence about AH’s treatment of Kate James
LD yes
QC but that’s not included in your declaration
LD um
QC take my word for it - there is no mention of Kate James

QC but it does say you knew AH had been arrested on domestic abuse charges against her former wife
LD AW told me about that - I didn’t know about that before it went in my witness statement

QC I have made a mistake - you do mention Kate James in paragraph 8 of your WS
[we go to par 8]
QC who wrote that
LD Mr Waldman
Judge - is it true?
LD She did scream at Kate on that occasion, but only once

[we go to a final text from LD to AH in which AH says she was (and I paraphrase) almost coerced into her declaration, that she didn’t want to hurt AH in any way, she was bombarded with information from lawyers and had to answer yes and no and they produced a statement which...

… was much stronger and she had to tell them to take stuff out]
[no further q’s from QC]
DS you’ve said you don;’t want to be here
LD correct
DS and you don’t wnt to do anything to hurt Ms Heard
LD true
DS you were played a recording with or without your knowledge by AH

LD I didn’t know she was making it
DS did you go to see her or did she ask to see you
LD she asked to see me
DS is that cos she’d heard about your declaration
LD yes
[we go to an email]

Whilst they’re trying to find the email here is the picture of AH shown in court this morning released via PA by her lawyers.

Excerpts from the transcript of the recording AH took with LD:

LD So anyway, do you want to sit down.. or...?
AH Yeah...
LD Alright, so I’m gonna fill you in.. with these.. with what they’re doing to me right now.
AH What?
LD Johnny’s team.

AH Ohh.. okay. What’s going.. I didn’t even.. So you sent me that screengrab..
LD Okay, because..
AH But it looked like from the screen.. or uh.. whatever..

LD Apparently, the attorney that Johnny is working with, was like threatening if I didn’t get back to him, that I’d have to .. literally .. so I’m like..alright
AH What did he say?

LD That... ‘cause I said.. I said.. he.. he.. he first approached me.. I said no, I said, you know, I go - I really don’t know anything about this.. I mean.. about.. you know, it .. that’s not something Amber and I ever talked about insofar as abuse goes.

I wasn’t there until... you know.. that Summer when I was helping her put things together, and I was in..I know for a fact I was in Africa during that time.

Well.. he has me on file, and photographed, going into the building every single day apparently? And..

AH Oh, so it wasn’t when you were in Africa?
LD No! Yeah! He. Well.. he’s like.. well then, he thought I was totally conspiring with you, and I.. literally took it that I was like this lying person and he was gonna go ahead and subpoena me.

LD No! Yeah! He. Well.. he’s like.. well then, he thought I was totally conspiring with you, and I.. literally took it that I was like this lying person and he was gonna go ahead and subpoena me.
AH So.. how did that information get to you?

LD I have.. he.. he.. he directly contacted me, he called me on the phone, and then I just didn’t pick up. And then the next night, he literally texted me. And so that’s when I said, I go, you know I just kind of plead like.. I don’t know anything, you know...

… I go, that wasn’t part of their life that I was exposed to, or anything along those lines.

I said I knew that it was a difficult relationship at best, I go, but I was peripheral, and so, anyway, he was just like.. and I said.. and I was, I know that..

… I know that summer was the summer that I had .. I was planning this big trip to go to Africa, so I go I wasn’t even there that summer, and in my mind, I wasn’t – it’s been four years.

[something big is going down in court - the judge rose so they could find an email - whilst this happened Laura Devinere’s lawyer intervened down the line from LA saying that the emails are between herself and her lawyer and are therefore protected by attorney/client privilege]

[the judge came back in and the lawyer introduced himself and stated that he didn’t know how The Sun or whoever had got hold of these emails but they are protected.]
Judge asks DS how he wants to proceed
DS reads out some of the email

… in which LD apparently says her declaration is 100% true and she found the Sun’s lawyers very threatening.
DS is pointing out that it can’t be pirivileged as it’s gone to all counsel

DS is saying that LD sent out this email to a third party - it is her privilege - not Mr Sherman’s -
and she confirmed in her statement she saw no injuries
Judge - is there anything else you want to say about the admissibility of this document?
DS no, but we will want to...

… adduce further documentation

Judge asks if Sherman has anything to say
MS - yes - look at the two and from lines from these emails they are drafts sent to me - it was never sent it was under privilege - if it was sent inadvertently to Rufus Isaacs then he should have...

… deleted it and told me. It’s unethical.

DS I don’t know who mr Rufus Isaacs is. this email chain was provided to Kevin Murphy by Laura Devinere. And they are not drafts.

DS furthermore LD has drafted a press release to be sent to the Hollywood reporter standing. by her statement and how she feels uncomfortable being forced to attend court by the defendants.
[Mr Sherman wishes to be heard.]
MS there is no reference to KM or nothing to show...

… privilege was waived by my client.
Judge - I’m not going to make a decision on this now. it will be part of my overall judgment in this case.
QC it appears DS is planning to impugn his own witness
Judge - point has been taken amply by Mr Sherman on behal of the witness...

QC I won’t press the point, but it’s akin to cross-examination in my submission
DS you said your declaration was true, and you have affirmed it in that email to Mr Sherman it is correct
LD I’m not sure what I’m looking at
DS the email from LD to Lee Sherman
LD the “highly...

… apologise for the delay”
DS That’s the one. Is that you?
LD it seems to be.
DS thank you no further questions.
Judge thanks her

DS that leaves Ms Kendall - can you rise for a few minutes whilst we sort it
[judge rises]

[back to the transcript]
LD [contd] So I didn’t know anything. And then I got a text from him at like 3 o’clock in the morning, basically calling me a liar, and literally saying well, then you are just part...

… of Amber’s conspiratorial group – I mean, this guy is the biggest asshole under the sun. I don’t know how you’re dealing with this, because I’ve been shaken, like, for days on this. So, he basically was like, he just kept being really [indiscernible] So I said I’m sorry

I don’t know Amber to be that person at all, and I, I believe her. And then, he’s like, well, we have to.. you have to sit there, and I need to have a conversation with you, on the phone, and.. um.. and,

you know, if not, I’m.. we’re – you know – we will subpoena you, and you’ll be deposed. And I’m like, are you kidding me?

AH So he said you will be deposed if you don’t have a conversation

LD
Correct – without a question.
So I’m gonna paraphrase what they said after the conversation. He – it was almost 2 and a half hours, he was the biggest ass I’ve ever encountered in my life. But what they have got..

they’re.. according to him, they need.. they need me to sign a declaration that said – and I said that.. you know.. that you know, he accused me of like.. okay.. well have you been with Elon?

James Franco? I’m sure you’ve got.. and I said I know nothing about that and I said and honestly, to my knowledge, the first I heard about Elon was in August. And I said, and that, I said and

Amber was just really really sweet going, you know what, I just went I had no – I know nothing about that.
Well you.. you have..

Well there’s a photograph of you taking some flowers up to Penthouse 3 – I kid you not! I don’t know what you’re doing with this – how you’re dealing with it.

And I said – well – I go – but that wouldn’t have been unusual, I would have gone through and they said “oh, wait, are you gonna be going up there?” I go – and he’s like well, did you know that

they were from Elon?
I said – I would have no idea who they were from. I go I’m not gonna read somebody’s envelope.. and so he tried to get that information from me, and I was being honest, I didn’t know anything.

And then... this is just so.. Amber I .. you have no idea. I absolutely adore you, you know that. And it’s like, i.. I’ve sat there, and these guys... he is the biggest asshole under the sun.

So, he again was like, you know, um, bottom line, they have Kate under deposition, he’s like do you know she’s going through PTSD *laughing* which I don’t know if he was lying, and I was

like, well.. he’s like you know, you know, you.. you have.. she .. you’ve heard Amber yell at her. I said, listen, the only time I have ever – cause he’s.. he’s like I know for a fact here. I was like, I –

the only time I’ve ever heard Amber yell at Kate in my entire life, was one time during the move. And I said.. and honestly, she fucked it up. And I said, there’s just no way.. you know.. I go,

other than that, I know nothing about that.
And he’s like, well we have it on record that she’s called you crying, and that –remember I told you, you’ve got to get rid of –

you’ve got to get rid of Kate, because she’s calling me drunk? And I said, yeah, I go, but Kate’s the wrong person. Kate consistently screwed things up all the time, she was a mess, and

I didn’t say that she was drunk, when he was calling me, because I didn’t want to give him more information on this. And then he was talking about like when the place went on the

market, and I guess they interviewed Kevin too, and they’ve got Kevin..
Don’t – don’t do this. ‘Cause I’m.... *sigh* okay.

So – um – there was something, there was something about pink slips, and he was like, he was describing it as a pink slip from hell.. whore house – I mean he’s got a way with flourishing

words, like, like I said the biggest asshole, and I said those were things that were earmarked – I said they were clearly things that were not Johnny’s, that were not pink marked, and I’m under the

impression that obviously, they were, there was an agreement that everything from that apartment was agreed upon that Amber would get. So there’s no issue with that.

Then, I.. and he was trying to get me to say this, and I didn’t know anything about this either, but your mother coming in and, at some point in front of Kevin – I’m just saying this so you know,

and.. um.. and screaming about um.. like she’s gonna take him

for everything he’s worth – or something like that.

AH My mom–wait–Mom?
LD Your mother!
AH My mom’s never screamed at him.

LD No! I know that! That’s what I’m saying – I said – I go I’ve only met Amber’s mother a few times, I go, that does – that seems so not her character. I go, and if you’re asking me if I witnessed it, I swear to God, I did not.

So.. but these are like the stupid things that are, like, coming, like, consistently. And then it was like, um, well did.. did.. you know have you talked to Rocky? They’re like.. they’re planning to

subpoena Rocky and iO, which I’m sure you’re aware of, for perjury.
AH *sniggers* you can’t subpoena someone for perjury.

LD I know!
AH You subpoena someone as part of a legal process .. LD Well, there you go.

AH What this is, is it’s actually manipulating, and coercing people through threats –
LD - They’re completely manipulating it -
AH Without people being savvy, about the law. They are threatening people..

[we’ll finish this later - Rufus Isaacs has just turned up - he is legal counsel for Newsgroup in America]
Judge who am I hearing?
QC this is the lawyer for Newsgroup
Judge you want me to hear him?
QC well KK is not my witness
Judge you do represent NGN tho
QC I think he wants

… to clarify something
Judge - well I want to get on with this case
QC we all do
Judge - Mr Isaac this is not the time
[Katherine Kendall is sworn in]

DS asks her to confirm her witness statement. I think this is the last of the claimants’ witnesses.

QC you describe yourself as an “actress, a survivor of abuse, and an advocate of the #MeToo movement”
KK yes
QC and the MeToo movement was started after serious allegations were made against Harvey Weinstein.
KK yes

QC and he was powerful
KK yes
QC and you described calling him out as being one of the hardest things you’ve ever done
KK yes it took 20 years ot have the courage to call him out publicly - it was one of the scariest most difficult things i’ve ever done

QC and people who did so were called liars and fantasists and disbelieved
KK yes
[QC no further questions]
DS what happened to Harvey Weinstein after the accuasation against him
KK he was convicted and is now in prison
DS after a court case or in the media
KK court case

DS and did he plead guilty
KK no
DS it was heard by a court and gave evidence and was convicted by a court - is that an appropriate…
Judge - no no no DS, that’s not going to assist me in this case. Any further questions for KK
DS…….. my Lord, no.

[DS by way of a marker KK was compelled to come here to be cross-examined and yet she was not cross-examined on a single part of her evidence. and I am going to take the matter up with Ms Wass]

That concludes the cross and re-examination of the claimant’s witnesses.

DS is now proving to the judge that LD sent her emails to Kevin Murphy “you may have seen LD’s face when I said she forwarded them to Kevin Murphy, and my Lord, this is why"

Shall we go back to the transcript of the secret recording made by AH of her conversation with LD?

Let’s….

LD They are.
AH .. to coerce statements out of people -
LD I know. Yes.
AH And people are actually able to be tricked, if you don’t know anything about..

LD Right, I get that. I get that. And he’s going on about do you know about Tasya and.. and I said, I didn’t know any of that, and then he’s like well then now you know about it. I’m like, well okay, great!

AH So he just told you..
LD He just told me! No, but, I know.. but that’s what I’m saying - AH Nothing he said.. I mean.. it’s all manipulation

LD I know it is. So, basically,
AH I mean so this guy has literally said they have me on camera, which – funny we’ve never seen that footage, we’ve seen me stand in an elevator. But they literally made up this

this thing about Whitney practicing hitting me in the hallway and they have it on camera.. oh - oh yeah, like that’s where the bruises came from, I’m like oh.. yeah.. well.. um.. where is that footage?
Like he – literally just made up. It’s literally just made up.

LD It’s.. it’s horrible. It’s horrible. I mean I have not slept for nights, because, I just didn’t even know how to tell you that this has now been brought up and I have to go out and tell you about all this

information, so he basically said if I didn’t sign a declaration, but it doesn’t say, it doesn’t say – state anything from you at all. It’s just like, you know, that I aware of Tasya – and I was like well no,

I’m not. But I told you that the other day. So that’s in there. But if I didn’t, I was going to be deposed, and I.. and he was like it’s gonna be 15 – 20 thousand dollars.

So I’m telling you now, because I need you to know that, and then I need your attorneys to then go ahead and get me to do a declaration, too, and question me, so then I can say something in

your favour. Because he’s not giving me any.. like – I would go – I would like explain things.. like he said “well you were up there that..” and I said, yeah! But that didn’t mean I was up with Amber

going over this huge plot! I go, well I’m with Amber 5, 10, 15 minutes, half an hour at most, and I’m there to work, and so I don’t know – you know – any of this.

And it was like.. well need a yes or no, well then you’re not familiar with how the court systems work. I’m like, no! I’ve never been in a court ever! So, I need [cut] literally, I was literally forced

into signing a declaration, that again, it does not say – it’s the most vanilla thing imaginable, but I can’t afford $20,000, because I don’t even know what’s going on with Elon right now, but I need

your attorneys to sit there and work out a declaration so that I’m in your favour, so it nulls anything out, because I didn’t see – ‘cause he’s like, well, did you see her completely? Did you see

her absolutely beaten up?
And he was using the analogy of well, if my arm was ripped off! And I’m like, and, I said, she was visibly upset the entire time,

and I said it came from an absolutely true place. Well true place? Like, and then he’d go ahead and just say some complete other

fabrication, like I felt like, my hands are completely tied, and there was nothing I could say to resurrect the situation. And I just was like doing your damnedest – and – so he did this declaration

thing, and I just kept expunging things, and expunging things, and then he just wouldn’t do anything else.
So it’s really vanilla, and I will show it to you as much as I

possibly can, but I want your attorneys to call me, and literally let me do a declaration for you, because I don’t know what else to do but I am literally heartbroken about this, because I can’t sit

there, because we never had.. you know, I didn’t know any of this knowledge beforehand, I mean it was literally afterwards – you always hid it from me.

AH It’s not your fault, you didn’t know - I hid it from everyone.. it’s what people do.
LD I know! Amber!

AH But after, you know, after the divorce, you know, right, immediately after that incident, my eye was.. did you.. did you see my face? I mean..

LD I only saw your face when you were – when it was, when it was swollen and it was red, but I didn’t see any.. at that point there was nothing there. And I just said – and I said I don’t recall it, but

I did not – if you’re asking, and he’s like, I’m not asking you, I’m saying, he was telling me that it wasn’t the phone that was thrown at you, that you had said that, um, that Johnny had

physically beaten you up, afterwards, and I said, again, I did not spend any time with you when I .. I even knew .. like, oh wait, you know, if I knew what was going on, I would have literally

looked at you more intensely, and I didn’t, you were just – I said – you were just, kind of, a hot mess at that time and devastated, but I didn’t see you at that point where – you know – and he was

like she would have been all black and blue. Did you see any black and blue?
No, I didn’t see you black and blue, but, she was all swollen and

ed and she had been crying, so that is what we are at.
AH How many days after the..?
LD *sigh* ... he said, it was like – and again, it’s like four years ago, so I couldn’t even place it!

I honestly did think at that time that I was in Africa and I thought I met you after that. He’s got the dates – I don’t even know the dates, but he threw.. and it’s like

“you were there on, like the 20...” and I’m like paraphrasing, because I don’t like, like the 23rf, 24th, 25th, and then you’ve got onthe 28th and then there’s some date in December he wanted

me to give, and I said I don’t know anything about that, at all.
So, I go, please, and he’s like well we have you up there on the 15th, and I said, but, I might not have even seen Amber! I mean,

very seldom did I – I mean, I’d see Amber, but I go I never saw Johnny, and here’s the beauty of it – well Johnny happens to think you’re a really nice person, and he doesn’t want to depose

you, but you know, it will, if it comes to that, he will.
And I’m like, well then, how nice of a guy is he? You know.. and .. anyway.. I just..

AH After I file for.. after I file for divorce, I, I mean, after I file for the restraining order, um, you were around a lot around that time.
LD I was around.

AH I was wondering if you – are you saying that you didn’t know what was going on?

LD No – I knew - I said, I knew what was going on, and he’s like he wanted to know did I tell you immediately, and I said I can’t recall that, because I can’t recall that I saw you directly after that

incident happened. He’s got me in an elevator, and that’s it, and I don’t know.. you know.. if this was – if this was three years ago, I’d have much more clarity as far as the time of reference, you’ve

been living this whole nightmare for four years straight, I don’t – I don’t have my dates clear at all.

AH But after that – after I file for the restraining order, I mean, do you re.. are you, are you saying that you knew why I filed for a restraining order, I thought it was pretty talked about?

LD He didn’t talk about the restraining order. He never mentioned that. He – all he mentioned was did I ever talk – did you ever talk to me about being abused -

AH After?
LD Before..
AH OK.
LD And then also after..
AH So he’s specifically said before and after.

LD He was more interested in before..

AH Well, of course.

LD
Right, and then he also asked did I ever talk about it with iO, or

Rocky, and I said no, I go,other than I would always ask them well how is she doing? I go, but that’s, that was our conversation, you know, I never, you know, I seldom didn’t really ever get into

conversations with either Rocky or iO other than, you know, just superficial, like, what are you up to, and that kind of a thing, and so I was being really honest, because I didn’t know.. I don’t want

to sit there and be perjured, and I don’t have a good timeframe, so I didn’t know when.
I said I know I talked about it with Amber, but if you’re telling me

when did I talk about it with Amber, I honestly don’t recall. If
you’re asking me did I talk about it on this 23rd or24th ,I go, my
guess is probably. But I’m being honest, I don’t recall because

it’s been four years and I can’t put a date.
And he’s like well then we’ll go ahead and we’ll sit there and depose you, and I said you can sit there and depose me now,

after all of this, I go but I’m not gonna be able to tell you anything else, in all honesty, I’m going, but I’ve never had anything but an amazing relationship with her.

AH With me?
LD With you! And I said so, you know, I go, did I ever get into an argument.. and he’s like well how is your relationship with Johnny? And I said, it was fine! It was absolutely pleasant. I go –

but Amb.. but I didn’t really have any interaction with Johnny, at all, I go, I’ve known Amber for 8 years. So.. you know..
AH Do you.. have you ever um.. seen me be.. when you were talking

about Kate earlier, I mean, do you think I was verbally abusive to her?
LD No – I literally said no,
AH Because this is.. I remember you being the strongest advocate for me firing her.

LD Yeah. That’s what I’m saying. So that’s – this guy doesn’t want that information and I told him that too. I said, literally the only time I ever heard her raise her voice was that [indiscernible] –

because Kate had brought it up. So that’s why it was brought up, because he’s like well you were on the phone – and I said the

only time I was, was when there was a move, Kate screwed it up. You’ve gotta under.. and then he was like.. and then he went on and he’s like well, Kate would call you? And I said, yes, I go she

was not suited to the job and she screwed up a lot, I go, she should never have been working with Amber, and that’s something I literally said, he’s just wanting, because Kate,

apparently Kate has some sort of vendetta, not shockingly, to go against you, so once again, I need your attorneys to go ahead and go, okay, you know, explain the Kate relationship with that,

because you know, I would have your back, a thousand times until Sunday.

AH I just.. I am only interested in the truth, I’m not interested in manipulating anyone..
LD I know!
AH ..or anything. I just wanna be clear, I.. that I .. that you didn’t see be physically, or verbally abusive of Kate?

LD No. The only time, the only time, and again – she had brought it up..
AH But do you think I was verbally abusive to her?
LD No, I said you were yelling – on the phone because – everybody had heard about it – I told you about that.

AH About that ... Just like an incident?

LD Yeah, just that one incident. I said never, ever, had I heard anything.. and then, he said well would you be shocked to find out that she’s got PTSD, and she’s going to meetings for it? And

I go, on the one hand I would, and on the other hand I wouldn’t because she’s completely off the rails, so, but of course, he doesn’t take any of that, because he’s doing that, and

apparently, I don’t know – apparently Kevin [Diez?] is apparently not a nice guy.. he’s got a realtor that was showing the place – you didn’t even really meet him I don’t think – I think you had an

altercation with him with the draperies, remember?
AH I mean, altercation? I haven’t even met...

LD I mean, it was that, it was an argument because the draperies were taken and he was the one that was trying to get the draperies back for the person who bought it.

AH Oh, but I didn’t even talk to him?
LD Oh, then see, then I have no idea, but he’s the other one that is saying all of this other crap. So that’s the only stuff that I know that the attorney was talking about.

AH And then after, from when you were around after my restraining order, you – I mean – from what I remember, I remember we spent a lot of time.. you were.. I mean and I was..

LD We were putting.. we were putting your office back together, the dressing room was fine, and we were hanging stuff and putting stuff back in the living room to make it more.. back like a home.

AH I’m just like trying to think of what.. I mean.. why..

LD .. and that’s all.. I mean, I don’t know when that was, though, that’s the problem, I have no recollection. I honestly thought it was July at some point, but I don’t know. I wish I was actually asked this three years ago.

AH Have you looked through your... um..

LD I don’t have anything! My phone’s been changed twice and I’ve got a new notebook, so I have no.. I don’t know where to trace anything.

AH Oh.. and you didn’t back up?
LD No! the only thing I backed up were photographs from work.

[And that’s all that we were played. Court has risen. We’re back at 9.30am BST on Monday to hear an application about expert evidence on metadata and then at 10am Amber Heard will be cross-examined on her evidence]

I will try to get the transcript, witness statements and that audio transcript of that secret recording I’ve just tweeted up on my website tonight, but I can’t promise. I’m entertaining [in a responsible, socially-distanced way, I assure you] and I need to get the place tidy!

The scene outside the Royal Courts of Justice as I left.