@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian Well, I stumbled upon today that Christie seems to have been misleading people since 2007 about Newson's views on Pervasive Developmental Disorders & PDA. Do not know if it is deliberate or not. Either way not a good look.
@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian He is leaving out information that undermines his argument PDA is part of autism due to Newson viewing it as PDD.

Yes, refers to an out of date image from 1999 and not Newson's later views on the topic.
@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian Newson changed the diagram to include specific language impairments. She had wider definition & view PDD umbrella than what is accepted. Also said helpful to think persons with a PDD have coding issues.
@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian Newson explicit says PDA is not an autism spectrum disorder. Argue against calling PDA umbrella autistic spectrum. adc.bmj.com/content/archdi…
@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian That Newson's PDD-NOS included non-autistic persons, as it was not meeting threshold for either: Aspergers/ Classic autism/ PDA/ specific impairment.
@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian That Newson does not base PDA off the triad of impairment.

It is hard for anyone to argue PDA is an ASD when presented with this information.
@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian Present people with this image from 1999, then Christie can make his arguments PDA is an ASD, like does. Present it with the later image, much harder for him to do what he does.
@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian The weird thing is that is from what I can tell Newson could have argued for PDA to be included in accepted PDD umbrella understandings. I.e. without presenting PDA & creating her own version of PDD umbrella.
@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian Previous image is from DSM-4. Best guess, is that Newson did what she did as she was still working from her own diagnostic grouping understandings from 1986 - 1996: Pervasive Developmental Coding Disorders:
@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian Newson knew of the triad of impairment in 1982, before she created Pervasive Developmental Disorders grouping in 1986 & PDA behaviour profile in 1988. She never based PDA on the triad of impairment. Nor systematically assessed for autism features.
@AnnMemmott @ElaineMcgreevy @EmilioLees @abaukdiscussion @milton_damian It does appear that Newson deliberately went out of her way to make PDA not autism.

She certainly passed opportunities to make PDA conform to autism understandings.

Which Christie should really mention when arguing PDA is an ASD.

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22 Oct
Some reasons why I use Newson's work:
1) Newson never viewed PDA as an ASD and this is reflected in her diagnostic criteria and clinical descriptions. She certainly never argued fitting PDA into 2 main diagnostic manuals based on accepted diagnostic groupings
2) Newson included non-autistic persons in her 2 diagnostic groupings, her own Pervasive Developmental Disorders grouping and her own NEW Pervasive Developmental Coding Disorder.
3) Newson never assessed persons with PDA for autism or systematically investigated autism features.
4) Newson often deliberately did things if she thought they helped other stakeholders, mainly parents.
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I do not believe it. It appears that Christie submitted evidence to have PDA recognised as an ASD in Australia. Did not disclose COI or mention pertinent information that would undermine PDA recognition.
@autismcrc This small group of professionals would be the PDA Development Group, that includes Christie, who has chaired the group.
…emandavoidancecom.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/2016-p…
@autismcrc What the PDA Development Group is and what it does:
…emandavoidancecom.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/pda-de…
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That moment when you realise the "splitters" (instead of lumpers) are trying to split autism using something that is not autism (PDA).
Normally, I would find this ironic, but I am still a bit speechless by realising how arbitrary some some features are assigned.

I have been looking at questions assigned to "Surface Sociability" in EDA-Q & the DISCO.
The intent was to analyse these items to see if any are RRBIs.

I am struck by is just HOW much there is an emphasis on this ONE trait in the tools, compared to Newson's own observations.
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@ElaineMcgreevy Possibly, but there is this, a table for my chapter for Damian & Sara. It shows that PDA clinical features are often based against autism stereotypes. Stereotypes often seem to become accepted clinical fact. Image
@ElaineMcgreevy I have updated the table to this, mainly changing PDA to DAP. Also noting that demand avoidance generally is manipulative. Image
@ElaineMcgreevy There is something that is nagging me. So mental health disorders are meant to represent discrete constellation of traits/ "symptoms" that hang together to form a unique syndrome.
adc.bmj.com/content/archdi… Image
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I am reflecting on Newson's "Surface sociability, but lack of sense of identity, pride, or shame" trait. There are aspects of it which are problematic, infact I would argue are an RRBI, or should be removed from it.
Her logic also seems faulty.
My concerns centre around the inclusion of behaviours that seem to indicate distress. Which means if a person is displaying these behaviours due to distress, they would be highly aroused.
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@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @martinbeecher @GillLoomesQuinn @PDASociety Newson did not systematically assess for autism features because she was trying to show PDA was different to autism, to warrant PDA being a "thing". She originally conceptualised it as a new type of disorder. Spent 15 years researching that behaviour profile.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @martinbeecher @GillLoomesQuinn @PDASociety "Clearly, “hanging together as an entity” is not enough
if that entity is not significantly different from both autism
and Asperger’s syndrome, either separately or apart"
Newson et al, 2003, p599.
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