School + CEV households: THREAD

New update yesterday for UK Guidance on shielding. Guess what stayed the same:

“Children who live with someone who is clinically extremely vulnerable, but who are not clinically extremely vulnerable themselves, should still attend school.” 1/25
“Should” is a euphemism for “must.”

If parents deregister, they lose their school place, must educate their child on their own from scratch, and risk denial of re-admission at their local school.

But trying to stay at school but work from home means fines and prosecution. 2/25
Just what risk is on the table? It’s hard to estimate, but let’s try. 3 Q’s:

a) What’s the current risk of a UK child catching COVID in school?

b) What’s the accumulated effect of repeating these risks over time?

c) What’s the risk of the child transmitting at home? 3/25
Qa is difficult to estimate accurately.

To attempt this, I’ll start with the recent over-all infection risks for UK children, and eliminate the largest non-school-related sources.

So let’s look at household secondary attack rate, also relevant to Qc. 4/25
.@DiseaseEcology has a great thread on household secondary attack rate, including average results from meta-studies, a recent study that tested all household members including asymptomatic ones, and a discussion of various influencing factors. 5/25
Findings:

1 Avg 18.8% hh SAR from studies counting symptomatic-to-symptomatic, but 53% from one US study on symptomatic-to-any infection.

2 Partner-to-partner SAR higher than parent-to-child. (The US study had 68%, 61%, & 45% transmission for 2, 3, & 4-person families.) 6/25
Since up to 45% of kids are asymptomatic, let’s be generous (ie assume a lot of child infection comes from parents) and use a 34% parent-to-child SAR (see below).

Average first-time parent age in UK is ~30, so avg parent of 1-2 4-16’s is 34-53, or older with more kids. 7/25
We next estimate the % of UK kids who were PCR-detectable on 23 Oct as a result of parent transmission.

PCR+ lasts ~8-10 days for kids, incubation ~2-14 days (usually 2-7). 34-53yo infection increased ~linearly in Oct, so let’s look 9/2 + 4 =~9 days earlier, at 14 Oct. 8/25
ONS estimated 14 Oct infection rates of .64% for 35-49s and .60% for 50-69s, so let’s pick the higher rate, and assume school-parents had the same infection rate as non-parents their age, so that on average .64% of parents were infectious in the relevant time window. 9/25
~77% of UK kids live with 2 carers, and we’re using a 34% parent-to-child SAR, so with the simplified approximation of independent probabilities, we get

23% x .0064 x .34 + 77% x 2 x .0064 x .34 < .39%
of 23 Oct UK kids had COVID from household adults. 10/25
I’m counting school-to-child-to-sibling transmission as school-sourced. The parent-to-child-to-sibling route is subsumed in parent SAR measurements.

And I’m neglecting non-school-related, non-household sources (see notes on 17/25).

So now we just subtract .39%. 11/25
ONS: 1.04% 2-11, 2.01% 11-16, & 2.30% 16-24 on 23 Oct, but 20-23 Oct data’s less certain, and steep for 11-16, so let’s underestimate + say 1.75% 11-16.

Subtract .39%...

➡️a 4-11yo or 11-16yo had ~a .65% or 1.36% infection risk from school in the window preceding 23 Oct. 12/25
Qb: How does this risk add up over time?

That depends on how this infection-from-school risk changes over time. @IndependentSage estimate current lockdown measures (w/o school closure) will reduce R to .85, and that by 4 weeks, this will halve daily case counts. 13/25
The mean of 1 and 1/2 is 75%, so let’s assume that for the next month, the avg infected-at-school risk per infection interval is 75% of our tweet-12 answers, or .49% and 1.02% for 4-11s and 11-16s.

And let’s conservatively assume 3 potential infection intervals per month. 14/25
With %s that low, 2nd-order effects can be neglected, making consecutive probabilities approximately additive. (For small p, p + (1-p)p ~= 2p).

So a 4-11yo has roughly a 3 x .49% = 1.5% risk of infection from school this month, and a 11-16yo has roughly a 3.1% risk. 15/25
If restrictions are relaxed at the end of lockdown to make R near 1 again, then for each subsequent month, the per-interval risks will be ~ .33% and .68%, and the per-month risks of infection from school will be roughly 1.0% for a 4-11yo and 2.0% for a 11-16yo. 16/25
So unless R drops much more than expected, the avg UK 4-11yo has about a 1.5% risk of being infected at school this month, and a 11-16yo has a 3.1% risk,

with risks of ~1% and 2% per month in subsequent months, depending on R values then.

Some potential sources of error: 17/25
Qc: Spread to family.

For a healthy household with average COVID risk rates, the overall risk for a given person to catch COVID in any ~10-day interval is best approximated by the infection rate for that person’s demographic group, from random sampling-based estimates. 18/25
The risk from school children is more relevant to a Clinically Extremely Vulnerable household member shielding from most other sources.

Most CEV individuals, especially immuno-suppressed ones, are more easily infected than the average person, so standard SARs don’t apply. 19/25
If the attack rate is 50-70% for the CEV person, then in the next month alone, they face approximately

an added .75-1.1% risk of infection for each 4-11-yo in the home,

and an added 1.5-2.1% risk of infection for each 11-16-yo in the home.

20/25
The average UK school family has ~2 kids, so that’s more like a 1.5-4.2% risk.

1.5-4.2% might be an acceptable risk for breaking an arm at school.

It is not an acceptable risk for giving COVID to your mother on chemo, and potentially killing her.

21/25
People say these children must stay in school at all cost to ensure continuity of education and prevent growing inequality.

But in practice, denying remote school to these children forces many to deregister—removing *all* school support and creating vast inequality. 22/25
People also say these children should be forced to attend in-person school—wait for it—

For. Their. Mental. Health.

Because the absence of in-person lectures somehow trumps the daily high risk of bringing deadly infection home to a CEV loved one. 23/25
Not even most adults are willing to do what these children are being forced to do.

Many healthcare workers living with CEV members have actually moved out of home to protect their loved ones. 24/25 bbc.com/news/uk-englan…
The number of children in CEV households is small compared to students already temporarily remote-schooling due to temporary COVID-related isolation. There is no reason schools can’t support these other students.

This policy is counterproductive, irrational, and inhumane.

25/25
Of course, I should always add to this the disclaimer that I’m a mathematician, not an epidemiologist, and I welcome corrections and adjustments from anyone more experienced.

But I’ve had so many parents contact me about this issue. I had contribute what skills I could.

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Schools + comments on some sources (THREAD)

This recent schools article makes some great points, and @apoorva_nyc is one of the top science journos on covid out there, but a few of the sources cited in this one have some issues, especially a few pages from govt websites. 1/22
-UK link is outdated. For late Oct, random sampling estimates all 3 child age-groups more infected than any adult group. 2-11s are 2nd highest!

-The Netherlands govt website badly mischaracterises its study.

-Pediatrics childcare-worker study and NYC article need comment. 2/22
UK schools opened at start of September. No remote school, even for families with medical vulnerability. No temporary home schooling either.

The article’s linked UK govt webpage shows Sept infection ⬆️ for secondary-school and ⬇️ for primary-school and a few other groups. 3/22
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Schools and personally-acceptable risk (THREAD)

This thread is an attempt to address questions certain UK parents and school staff have raised to me.

I’m not an epidemiologist, but as a mathematician I’m weighing in on certain general notions of probability and risk. 1/12
No one knows how bad this 2nd wave will get. It depends on what hard and soft measures are implemented and when, and how they are supported.

But I think it is ethically and scientifically unjustified to trivialise the concerns of parents and school staff about school risk. 2/12
Yes, there’s now good evidence that the covid mortality rate for healthy under-19-year-olds is likely no worse than flu *for*that*demographic.*

But that is only one type of risk. 3/12
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@SmutClyde @michaelroston @ThePlanetaryGuy Unfortunately, neither my World Scientific institutional access through U Cambridge nor that through IAS Princeton includes IJGMMP—I guess limited demand.

But there’s a retracted Mac J Med Sci pub by the same authors (et al) w/ “topoisomerase-like waves.”
researchgate.net/profile/Uwe_Wo…
@SmutClyde @michaelroston @ThePlanetaryGuy The retracted article’s argument seems to go:

1) topoisomerase unwinds DNA,
2) um, waves can be kind of wound up looking (?),
3) ergo, waves could unwind DNA like topoisomerase.

Thing is, that doesn’t make sense topologically.
(And I’m a topologist for my day job.)
@SmutClyde @michaelroston @ThePlanetaryGuy Topoisomerase doesn’t unwind DNA like a ball of yarn; it untangles by *crossing*changes*—temporarily snipping DNA for it to pass through itself, thereby changing the embedded topology of the DNA as a tangle/knot.

Simply “pushing DNA around” with a wave would NOT change topology.
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@ingridjohanna66 @threadreaderapp Thanks!

Initially stumbled on all this by accident.

I’m new to Twitter. Have mostly tried the academic route on this. The letter of corr + systematic review I sent to LC&AH on this were rejected, and now my univ’s Research Gov Office is working with UKRIO to organise an audit.
@ingridjohanna66 @threadreaderapp I originally worked alone on this, since didn’t want to disrupt med researchers at a time like this.

I know journals are doing the best they can with an avalanche of submitted articles that could influence policy that saves/jeopardises lives.

Difficult to know how hard to push.
@ingridjohanna66 @threadreaderapp (To clarify, what I sent was rejected by the LC&AH editor without ever being sent to peer review.)
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School closures + bad science (THREAD)

Remember that 6 Apr Lancet C&AH systematic review on school closures--with that media-amplified "2-4%" statistic--by a UCL team led by RCPCH president + SAGE member Russell Viner?

It has some serious problems. 1/
thelancet.com/journals/lanch…
Why does this still matter?

1. Viner's Review continues to be cited. A lot.

2. School closure was a first-aid response. Transitioning to long-term solutions calls for reexamining the science.

3. Serious enough cases of bad science raise concerns about the source. 2/
My first alarm bell?

The Review Summary's claim that "school closures alone would prevent only 2-4% of deaths" is a badly mis-contextualised statistic from

--wait for it--

the very Imperial College study [31] that prompted UK govt to close schools. 3/
imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial…
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