Sehr gute Darstellung der Tatsache, dass es auch dann noch viele weitere Infektionen geben wird, wenn R<1, die Zahl der aktiven Infektionen aber bereits hoch ist. Wenn R=0,9 ist gilt: Aktive Infektionen x 9 = zusätzliche Infektionen bis Stillstand. Rechenbeispiel für Deutschland:
Wir haben aktuell ~200.000 aktive Fälle. Seien wir mal zu optimistisch und unterstellen, es gäbe keine Dunkelziffer der Infektionen. Bei R=0,9 würde dies 1,8 Millionen weitere Infektionen in Deutschland bedeuten. Bei einer Infektionssterblichkeitsrate von 0,65% -> +13.000 Tote.
Bei einem Dunkelzifferfaktor von 2,5 (immer noch optimistisch) wären wir aktuell bei 500.000 aktiven Infektionen und 4,5 Millionen, die bei R=0,9 noch dazukommen würden. Zusammen 5 Millionen Infektionen -> 0,65% Sterblichkeit -> +32.500 Tote.
Dieses simple Rechenbeispiel verdeutlicht, dass 1. es problematisch ist, wenn Maßnahmen erst spät erlassen werden bzw. greifen und 2. der dann zu erwartende Verlust an Menschenleben, wenn R nur "sanft" unter 1 gedrückt wird, nicht trivial ist. @c_drosten @OlafGersemann @C_Althaus

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8 Nov
Feeling quite compassionate for the people who apparently have been going through hell, psychologically, during the past 4 years. They've been dragged from one mass delusion to another, with their emotional states being played like a fiddle by the media. Scary stuff.
By the beginning of Trump's term, they believed Trump won in 2016 due to Russia collusion, by the end, they believed the U.S. was on the brink of becoming a fascist dictatorship. Both beliefs, and many more in-between, have been refuted by the facts.
In retrospect, why don't they realize that? I suppose because they're getting a big reward now from the current mass delusion that they've prevailed over the forces of evil. If the happy ending to a story is that you've slain Darth Vader, you'll like that ending.
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Some quick fact-checking on @SKMorefield's text:
- Charts about mask mandates and covid cases don't tell us much because, as noted, they don't have a control group showing what would have happened without mandates
- Causality between mandates and cases could run both ways
- Once you add reasonable control groups, evidence points in favor of masks, e.g. nber.org/papers/w27891
- Denmark, Norway and Finland all recommend masks by now, not everywhere, not all the time, but reasonably
- Linked report about pneumonia due to masks is totally anecdotal
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For (a), New York had a long lockdown with stay-at-home orders extending into June. But as New York suppressed the virus, both Covid-19 deaths and other excess deaths fell down a cliff simultaneously. So that part of the lockdown deaths theory doesn't hold up.
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The COVID-19 incidence among the two oldest age groups has not risen (yet), as this @rki_de graph shows (h/t: @christoph_rothe). Also number of patients in intensive care is low and stable so far. Image
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Let's see if I got this right: In 2016, the DNC rigged the primaries to shove an unelectable candidate onto the presidential ticket. The reasons they gave for voting for Hillary were: Trump is bad, she would be the first female president. Epic fail. Now...
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