This conversation between @BretWeinstein and @DouglasKMurray is interesting - both for the visitor-local conversation on what's happening in Portland (it's really bad) and for the liberal-conservative discussion
There is an interesting tension between Murray's individualist view about liberty & responsibility & Weinstein's evolutionary lens. Murray keeps rejecting "we" talk (we fucked up etc) & Weinstein makes the case for understanding history as emergent systems where there is "we"
There is a really interesting (to me) bit from 1:22 where Weinstein is talking about incarceration rates of black men and impact on the bargaining power of women in relationships, & then on children. Where Murray says but not all uncommitted dads are incarcerated...
He wants a direct link and if not the explanation must be of moral failure. Where Weinstein is talking about competition in the market for mates when there are fewer available men. It's interesting how neither liberals or conservatives like to think about populations like this.
I think it goes against moral intuitions.

Fundamentally (philosophically) why I reject the sex-is-a-spectrum-gender-is-social-construct thing is because in being biogically ungrounded it closes off our understanding of social systems as the product of evolution -sexual selection
It's interesting how Murray, a conservative, who gets markets, and the problem with gender ideology doesn't seem to get this. Or maybe he does somewhat in the course of the conversation. Which is why it's such a good conversation

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23 Nov
More "dark money" accusations. Image
Using Crowdjustice page to make accusation of funding by "anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-assisted dying US hate groups" Image
And to call someone (I think he means me) "a provocateur" arguing "for her right to misgender" Image
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21 Nov
Who are the US religious right orgs seeking to influence the sex and gender debates?

This analysis from @openDemocracy is interesting (but not evidence of funding to UK gender dissidents)

Clip below is orgs tagged "anti-LGBT" spending in Europe, 2018…
Some observations:

1) No gender critical campaigns or legal crowdfunders are getting funding from these organisations.

Crowdfunders are anonymous of course. This is what mine looks like - mainly small donations from lots of people.
2) The total is not that big $2.8m (£2.1m)

...for the whole of Europe.

(and around $7m for the world outside US)

By comparison Stonewall's annual budget is £8m, including £3m from the Diversity Champions programmes with employers, universities and schools
Read 14 tweets
20 Nov
This from my local police is disturbing. The interviews w the two young people, Jo & Kaitlyn from 3:20

How can it be in the interests of vulnerable young people to tell them they were "born in the wrong body"?

And that anyone who does not see these two as women hates them?
The support group helps young people feel like they are 'not alone' while telling them they are outcasts and raising the stakes

...telling them that "who they are" is a person of the opposite sex, that people have "died for believing who they are": the world is hostile.
"the support group has done a world of good for helped me feel like i was not alone. I've grown in confidence. I've helped people. The group does a good job at helping people who need to feel normal and feel like they are not alone. All we want is to be accepted in life"
Read 13 tweets
19 Nov
The Gender Dissidents Survey Results are here!
In the summer I asked people to fill in an online survey about why they were concerned about the push to replace sex with gender identity in laws and polices.

More than 700 people completed the survey over the course of a couple of weeks
They were 90 % women, 80% left wing, two-thirds parents, mainly non-religious, almost a quarter LGB
Read 8 tweets
18 Nov
Stonewall is keen on branding people "bigots" & denying them employment.

I wonder if Nancy also want gender critical civil servants and judges fired?
This is what the independent report on interpreters actually says.

Suggests there is an issue here - belief, tradition, training, language?

Interpreters must be able & willing to do the job…
The report emphasises general training and quality assurance.

Stonewall jumps straight to they are bigots and must be denied employment
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18 Nov
Reed & Castiglia sound just like the kind of Professors you would want at university, and the axioms and their letter sing.

Its amazing just how surprising and unusual it is now to read grown ups using wit, speaking clearly & standing their ground to defend open conversation
Which makes their final recantation all the more heart-breaking (& I read Jane's thread one-by-one as she posted.... i didn't see the ending coming)

I talk to administrators, shop floor workers, police officers trying to defend themselves against these same totalitarian demands
We don't all have the language and space to express ourselves as the Professors, and the arguments on Twitter are not as elegant, but perhaps we don't have the same crushing incentives to fall back into line.

Or perhaps we do and enough of us refuse to anyway.
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