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13 Dec, 14 tweets, 4 min read
I’ve been horrified that my tweets about Covid tests now automatically generate responses and retweets stating “PCR is a poor test” (regardless of whether I mention PCR at all).

1/13
To be a good scientist you need to keep an open mind and be open to challenging argument. But the decider are the proper scientific studies that provide evidence. None have convinced me that “PCR is a poor test”.

2/13
Stating “PCR is a poor test” challenges the evaluations where PCR is the reference standard, as well as case counts, and to some the existence of COVID entirely. If we believed it, the cases that lateral flow tests miss would be classified as being overdiagnosed by PCR.

3/13
Sure, we know that PCR tests stay positive at low levels in some people for weeks after Covid, but that is accounted for by interpreting test results in the clinical context, being careful about the threshold, and not retesting people who have had Covid for a few months.

4/13
And sure we know that PCR can miss cases, mainly through the swabbing, and international case definitions include CT results, antibody results and clinical definitions acknowledging this.

5/13
And right now nobody has proposed anything better.

6/13
Months ago I wasn’t sure that the false positive rate was as low as claimed. But I have been convinced – mainly from looking at the total positive rates from Australia and other places now with no Covid. The rates are exceptionally low.

7/13
But to switch from what is the accepted scientific standard to something different we need to do so carefully, and with clear evidence and sound scientific thought. And certainly not on the basis of conspiracy theories or statements from groups with political agendas.

8/13
There is a scientific way to see whether a test is better than the reference standard. I worked through this for latent TB nearly 20 years ago with Ajit Lalvani & @ProfKatieEwer comparing the new T-cell tests with the existing reference standard of the tuberculin skin test.

9/13
We had the chance to compare the tests in a school TB outbreak in Leicester. If interested you can read our Lancet paper here:

10/13

Comparison of T-cell-based assay with tuberculin skin test for diagnosis of Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection in… pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12686038/8/12
@PaulGlasziou and Les Irwig helped to draw out the generalisable lessons and create a framework which others can follow, which we summarised in Annals here:

11/13

When should a new test become the current reference standard? pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19047029/
Others have used it since, for example looking at High Sensitivity Troponins for Acute MI.

12/13

bmj.com/content/350/bm…
I have an open mind. When you have studies like these which can show that other tests are better than PCR please let me know. But meanwhile please do not respond or retweet my tweets saying "PCR is a poor test".

13/13

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13 Dec
The John #MaddoxPrize 2020 – Standing Up For Science

During the Pandemic many scientists (including me) who were living quiet lives have found ourselves thrown into the public arena, as we know we have important and useful skills and things to say which we hope will help.
Some of this is great (such as the pride your isolated elderly Dad has starting his day by hearing you on the radio), but standing up for science generates some vitriolic nasty responses when people don’t want to hear the results.
Tomorrow @senseaboutsci @nature announce the #MaddoxPrize 2020 prize for the individual who has gone the greatest distance in Standing Up for Science in the past year – I am looking forwarding to reinvigorating my motivation from their story.
Read 5 tweets
4 Dec
So the next new Covid-19 testing technology to look at is the OPTIGENE LAMP test - as covered here in the Guardian.

1/13

Experts question claimed accuracy of Covid-19 saliva tests theguardian.com/world/2020/dec…
The main body of the report is here, appendicies with data tables can be obtained by email

2/13

gov.uk/government/pub…
The study looked at using the test on RNA extracted from swabs and saliva, and directly on swabs and saliva. Key results are here:

3/13 Image
Read 13 tweets
3 Dec
Mass testing in Liverpool MISSED ~50% of infections and ~30% with high viral loads. Results are in this Government document, but no actual numbers or details are given.

Absolutely URGENT that @DHSCgovuk reports full data today and HALTS IMPLEMENTATION

gov.uk/government/pub…
This test is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE for the Government's plans

It is totally unsafe to use these tests to decide somebody does not have COVID nor “infectious”.

If it were a drug surely this would warrant an immediate withdrawal from use.
Missing 30% with high viral loads is NOT SAFE. PHE studies said missed <5% - so this is more than 6 times as many.

You cannot risk people with high viral loads visiting their elderly relatives.
Read 5 tweets
24 Nov
@BBCr4today invited me to speak about lateral flow tests this morning (can listen at 0650). All government plans are now about using tests to "release" people - this depends on reliability of negative result. This is what the manufacturer says:

1/16
The PHE Porton Down - Oxford University report included this graph showing sensitivity would be 58% when the test is delivered by a trained test-and-trace centre staff member. This is in symptomatics - not asymptomatics.

2/16
The Government's 77% sensitivity combines the other two groups - tests done by Porton Down lab staff, and tests done by NIHR Research Nurses - i.e. the experts and completely ignores the 58% group. That seems completely wrong.

3/16
Read 16 tweets
11 Nov
INNOVA test – time for critical appraisal of the report

What does the report say about the test and should we believe it?

1/20

ox.ac.uk/sites/files/ox…
There are a lot of data and studies reported - difficult to get your head round. Grateful to CI for talking to me this afternoon. He has worked at incredible speed to meet deadlines and says full report is forthcoming – there is more data and description to be added.

2/20
Phase 2 – spiked samples in controlled laboratory conditions

Phase 3a – samples from hospitals tested in controlled laboratory conditions

These do not tell us how well tests work in real world – important to do to move forward to what happens next, but pass by them now.

3/20
Read 21 tweets
10 Nov
How well is the Innova test working in Liverpool?

This is a speculative calculation informed by data available from Liverpool. The source is the Liverpool mayor - reported 23,170 tests done, with 0.7% positive (so about 162) here.

liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool…
Presume specificity 99.6%

No sensitivity data for this test - @UKPHE has data but not public

I estimate sensitivity of 75% based on independent evaluations done for WHO of other similar LFIA tests (range from 50% to 90%) - but in symptomatic patients

finddx.org/covid-19/sarsc…
Using a prevalence of 400 per 100,000 you get the following 2x2 table:
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