We have another winner coming up with what he thinks is a novel idea: "Additional electricity requires coal plants to produce more energy hence electric vehicles run on coal."

Let me point out why that is wrong.
elektroauto-news.net/2020/meinung-d…
First: the German mix gets cleaner as time goes one which means electric vehicles get cleaner as time goes on and coal is phased out before the electric vehicle is scrapped. Leaving that out makes this whole thought experiment a bit nonsensical anyway.
Second: electric vehicles will probably use 'smart charging' (to time the moment of charging) within a couple of years because it saves money for driver, energy producer and grid operator.
elaad.nl/research/smart…

That means that electric vehicles will charge relatively green.
Third: this column is all about the well known concept (no expert is surprised by this) of "marginal electricity".

Meaning: what happens if you add more electricity demand to the mix?

And that indeed makes the mix dirtier.

But is it only applicable to electric vehicles?
My problem with that (e.g. argued here against a prominent oil professor thegwpf.org/content/upload…) is that you need to defend why electric vehicles should get the short straw.

Why not heat pumps, electricity for oil refining or any other electricity use?
I could also argue that we should not buy heat pumps because a heat pump requires extra (marginal) electricity and hence runs on coal.

If you buy a freezer? Runs on coal!

Electric bike? Coal!

New house? Coal!

New train? Coal!

Etc.
And what is so different about "new" stuff anyway?
You could also turn off your existing computer, TV or lights. Then you also use less electricity and hence burn less coal.
So you have to defend why certain electricity demand is treated differently from other electricity demand.
I call that the "DEMAND merit order".

On the supply side we already use a merit order: solar, wind and nuclear come first and gas and coal come last. That's what 'inspired' this post in the first place. But in order to give some demand the short straw it needs a merit order too.
I fully understand the allure: compare a situation with and without electric vehicles and look at the difference in CO2. Isn't that the way to run and experiment?

Well, not here.

Imagine that you repeat the experiment for every other type of electricity demand. ...
Each experiment looks valid on its own but together they now cause ALL electricity in Germany to come from marginal electricity.

What your experiments are implicitly assuming is that all other demand is fixed. ONLY the demand that you experiment on can be changed.
But you cannot isolate one type of demand and assume all other demand is fixed. I think this is the "large thinking error" in this column.

Apart from that electric vehicles get cleaner over the lifetime and will use smart charging so the point is largely moot.
PS Multiple followers pointed out Germany also has targets in terms of % of renewables in future years. So more electricity demand (e.g. from EVs) leads to more renewables.

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23 Dec
Some people want us to believe there's not enough solar energy available to cover our worldwide energy needs

They often use EROI (Energy Return On Investment) as their metric

This is a rant against these EROI people misinforming the debate, based on a rebuttal of a 2020 paper Image
In essence the approach of the paper is straightforward:

1) Discard water and 96% of land because it's supposedly unavailable

2) Assume solar cells on just 1/5th of the remaining 4%

3) Complain that production of solar panels takes a lot of energy
sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
About 1) (available land)

Discarding 96% of land seems pretty extreme:
30% of the world's land is barren
40% of the world's land is used for meat

I think we could find more than 4% if we tried
(but we don't have to: we need less than 1%)
ourworldindata.org/land-use Image
Read 10 tweets
22 Dec
EVs DO NOT EMIT MORE PM

Recently @OECD published a report about particulate matter (PM) from road transport. Newspaper headlines blared that electric vehicles where worse than combustion vehicles. That conclusion was wrong according to the report itself.

Let me show you. Image
The report (published december 7) can be found here: oecd-ilibrary.org/environment/no… Image
It's main point is well taken: as cars get cleaner, fine particles emitted by brakes, tires and road surfaces will become more important.
The table comparing electric and combustion engines is on page 92. I took averages of low and high values to get the graph in the first tweet. Image
Read 15 tweets
9 Dec
Electrofuels or eFuels are all the rage now.
The reason: lovers of combustion engines that wake up to realise their engine is really on the way out.

But eFuels into combustion engines is NOT a realistic solution for cars. Let me explain -again- why.
autocar.co.uk/opinion/indust…
eFuels are not a new idea. So I've made these calculations 15 years ago and many times since. That some people have just woken up doesn't change fundamentals that made them a bad option for cars then and make them a bad option for cars in the future.
The most basic problem is in the basic process:
electricity -> hydrogen
hydrogen -> eFuel
eFuel -> electricity

That means that you have to produce ~5x (!) more low carbon electricity. Think about the costs, space and raw materials required!
Read 8 tweets
8 Dec
Oil producer Saudi @Aramco is so scared of electric vehicles that they are now promoting the nonsensical idea of capturing the CO2 emission of cars and trucks with combustion engines.

Allow me to explain why this is nonsense and why it;s probably a cynical ploy.
(short thread)
Burning 1 kg of diesel produces ~2.5 kg of CO2.
At room temp. that's ~1000 liter!
umsl.edu/~biofuels/Ener…

So 1 liter diesel => ~700 liter of CO2.
You could compress it but that would cost extra energy and at the least you need a gas tank much larger than you diesel tank.
Will all gas stations also have a gargantuan CO2 tank to store the CO2? I mean, cars do deliver ~700 liter CO2 for every liter of diesel they bought!

Will we have multiple tank trucks to ferry away the CO2 (to where?) that's caused by the diesel that one truck provided?
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5 Dec
What's the point of cultured meat when we can eat vegetables?

What's the point of renewables when we can use less energy?

Or of electric bikes when we can walk?

Well maybe decrease global warming, animal suffering, and zoonotic disease?
amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
I get so sick and tired of people postulating "If everybody changed their behavior we wouldn't need sustainable innovation."

Well, unless you have a magic wand to change everybody's behavior, you are not helping. And even if you had you would lack respect for others.
Author @jennykleeman is now saying 'I didn't write the headline'. But the headline captures her article perfectly. She mentions none of the aforementioned problems and concentrates on yuck and how cultured meat can't be trusted by implying Singapore is an inferior country. Uhg.
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5 Dec
Love this! @JoeriRogelj asked me for a debunk of Golf vs e-Golf and @ThomasGibon provided it immediately!

He shows the result using realistic diesel consumption and production. Thx Thomas!

But the article is about the ID.3.
And the ID.3 rocks! (thread)
First the problems: in an article that touts the carbon neutral production of the ID.3, @volkswagen puts a comparison chart with an eGolf that has extremely high carbon production emissions. Not smart. I would replace it with an ID.3 based chart asap.
volkswagenag.com/en/news/storie…
And while you are at it I would also cut/improve second 8 to 14 of the accompanying video because why bother telling lies about how much CO2 is emitted by the petrol and diesel Golf when you have such a strong story about the electric vehicle?
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