I've been thinking about the debate of delayed vs. immediate 2nd dose for some time

Over past week, have become convinced that getting all doses out now is better

Its NOT a no-brainer

Reasonable people can (and do!!) disagree

So here's why my thinking evolved

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Obviously, if you want to stick to the trials (reasonable position), then stay with standard interval

But soon, we'll be confronted with question -- do we give 2nd shot to some people or 1st shot to more people

Is there clinical trial evidence that 1 dose is helpful?

Yes

2/n
Yes

There is compelling data from Pfizer and Moderna trials that after about 10 d after 1 dose, you get 80-90% efficacy

fda.gov/media/144245/d…

nejm.org/doi/full/10.10…

So the BIG question is -- is that going to be durable beyond 21 to 28 days?

We don't know for sure

3/n
But while we may not be sure, it doesn't mean we have no idea

Here's one of our nation's most expert immunologists, @VirusesImmunity laying out her assessment of delayed vs immediate 2nd dose



4/9
What I take away from Dr. Iwasaki's thread and broader experience with vaccines is that it its unlikely that a short delay will harm protection

But we can't be sure

So why take this risk at all?

Why not just stay with the clinical trial?

Reasonable question

Here's why

5/9
We are on track to have another 50K to 100K Americans die of COVID in January

And that number again in February

Most 75 year-olds won't get their first dose for many more weeks

And most 64 year-olds won't for months

And the new variant will become dominant in that time

6/9
So what @Bob_Wachter and I are arguing is not -- abandon the science

Its -- look at all the science, the whole picture

The data from the clinical trials
What we know about vaccine durability
What we know about the variant taking off

And think about what saves most lives

7/9
And to us, the answer is, get first doses out immediately

Get 2nd doses into arms as they become available later winter

Now, reasonable to make some exceptions like nursing home residents where you want to maximize protection

But if you listen to Operation Warp Speed

8/10
We will have 100M doses produced by end of January

If we can get that many into arms by mid-February, it will make a huge difference

It won't just protect many more people

If you believe that vaccines will likely slow spread, it'll slow down disease across the nation

9/10
Anyone we can protect now is someone less likely to get infected tomorrow and die in 4 weeks

Bottom line is that I realize we are pushing for something that has risk

But we should not ignore the risk of not doing this at all

Here's the op-ed again

Fin
washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/…

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30 Dec 20
Really important news out of UK

Important for UK and the world

But I have mixed feelings about the science here

So what's the news?

UK MHRA (their FDA) has authorized the Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccine

Why such a big deal & why am I conflicted?

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gov.uk/government/new…
First, the data

UK regulators suggesting that the data they evaluated suggests vaccine has 70.4% efficacy

gov.uk/government/pub…

With zero hospitalizations & zero severe disease in vaccine arm

So that’s good

But not as good as Moderna or Pfizer vaccines (in efficacy)
So why is it such a big deal?

1st, UK will start vaccinating people next week at large scale

2nd, India, other countries will likely now approve this vaccine

And India likely has tens of millions (if not more) doses ready to go

3/n
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29 Dec 20
So a lot of chatter happening on the slow vaccine roll out

Personally, I'm incredibly frustrated.

Did we not know that vaccines were coming? Is vaccine administration a surprise?

Several complex issues so lets break things down a bit

Warning, this is a bit of a rant

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First, we were told in October that we'd have 100 million doses by end of December

100 million

Who said that? @SecAzar

In The Hill. Like 10 weeks ago

Then, by november, Azar was saying 40 million doses ready to ship out by end of December

thehill.com/changing-ameri…
Here's Azar in @thehill saying 40 million by end of the year

In December, Operation Warp Speed says 20 million doses will be out by end of year, they'll keep the other 20M in reserve for 2nd dose. Fine

3/n

thehill.com/changing-ameri…
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12 Dec 20
Michigan vs. Ohio State Football today postponed due to COVID

But a comparison of MI vs OH on COVID is useful

Why?

While vaccines are coming, we have 6-8 hard weeks ahead

And the big question is -- can we do anything to save lives?

Lets look at MI, OH for insights

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On 11/15, Michigan announced series of restrictions

Ohio didn’t

We can compare the two to see if Michigan policies helped

Why is Ohio a good comparison?

OH a neighbor of similar size, make-up (urban/rural, etc)

Here's COVID cases through 11/15

(OH in red, MI in blue)
The two states have tracked very closely

Similar states

Similar policies

But then, things changed mid-November

So let’s talk data (@COVID19Tracking 7-day moving avgs)

3/9
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7 Dec 20
Something concerning happening tomorrow in Senate Homeland Security Committee

Sound familiar? It is

@RonJohnsonWI holding part II hearings on Hydroxychloroquine

Prominent Anti-vax & pro-hydroxychloroquine doctors (yes, they exist) will be there

We have a response

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The hearings are meant as a questioning of the scientific process

To sew doubt on what we know and how we know it

So a group of us organized a response, which we just posted on our website

It isn't pro or anti hydroxy

Its about the scientific method and why it matters

2/3
Signatories are many of the leading experts medicine, biomedical science

There are other experts we didn't get to ask (sorry)

Not arguing that you should trust me or us over others

You should trust the scientific method

And the scientific community that tries to get it right
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5 Dec 20
There were 225,000 new cases identified yesterday

Sat through Monday, cases will dip (usually do)

But we are now seeing Thanksgiving effect

Based on yesterday's cases alone

Expect 5K-6K hospitalizations 12/11 (if hospitals can accommodate)

and 4,000 deaths on 12/26

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225K yesterday is starting to incorporate Thanksgiving infections

After every holiday, we see cases rising Thursday/ Friday after

I expect next week’s case numbers to climb higher

Thanksgiving surge just beginning so things could get worse

But there is hope here

2/5
They could get worse because after every holiday weekend, the surge begins Thursday/Friday after

And keeps going for a while

So we could easily get to 250K cases a day and keep rising

But here's what might help

In some places, people are starting to respond

3/5
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1 Dec 20
There is something funny happening with COVID hospitalizations

Proportion of COVID pts getting hospitalized falling

A lot

Just recently

My theory?

As hospitals fill up, bar for admission rising

A patient who might have been admitted 4 weeks ago may get sent home now

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So what do I mean "proportion of COVID pts hospitalized falling"?

For months, you could reliably predict new hospitalizations

How?

By taking cases 7 days prior, multiplying by 3.5%

That is

3.5% (1 in 29) of those diagnosed today will be hospitalized about 7 days later

2/10
LOTS of caveats to this formula

Not all states report new hospitalizations (formula takes that into account)

Could build a 10 day lag formula (3.7% hospitalized by 10 days)

All data I report are 7-day moving avgs from @COVID19Tracking

3/10
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